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Old Wednesday 4th September 2019, 05:37   #1
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New Nikon 300mm f/2.8 is a zoom!

Announced with the d6 is a 120-300mm f/2.8E FL. Hopefully we'll see some big weight savings. The venerable 300mm f/2.8G has been around for a long time at 6.4 lb / 2900 g. The current (oldish) Canon is 5.3 lb / 2.4 kg, so hopefully Nikon will drop like 2 lb / 1kg.

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Old Wednesday 4th September 2019, 07:26   #2
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What does SR mean in Nikkor AF-S 120-300mm f/2.8E FL ED SR VR? It looks right which is a good thing. No built in TC. Hasn't Sigma had this lens for years? Is there a rear filter slot? . So many questions, looks like Nikon has tried to make it a talking point. The existing 300 f2.8 RRP is 6,000 GBP, wonder what this will cost? Be interesting to compare actual image quality between this and my 300mm AF-I from 1996., 3636 then, equivalent to ~7,000 today.
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Quite surprising - so Nikon waits for ever to FLerise and lighten the 300 f2.8, and then comes out with this strange concoction??

I wonder if they can get near 2.27kg or less for this thing ?

Can anyone that covers events in an amateur or Pro capacity, tell me exactly what this type of focal range would be used for ?



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What does SR mean in Nikkor AF-S 120-300mm f/2.8E FL ED SR VR? .....
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What does SR mean in Nikkor AF-S 120-300mm f/2.8E FL ED SR VR? It looks right which is a good thing. No built in TC. Hasn't Sigma had this lens for years? Is there a rear filter slot? . So many questions, looks like Nikon has tried to make it a talking point. The existing 300 f2.8 RRP is 6,000 GBP, wonder what this will cost? Be interesting to compare actual image quality between this and my 300mm AF-I from 1996., 3636 then, equivalent to ~7,000 today.
R means Reduction or Resistance is my guess.

Either SR means it works together with IBIS in the D6 or something with superior environmental seals against water and dust etc.
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A surprise to me at least!

Surplus? Means it will be welly, welly cheap.

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Announced with the d6 is a 120-300mm f/2.8E FL. Hopefully we'll see some big weight savings. The venerable 300mm f/2.8G has been around for a long time at 6.4 lb / 2900 g. The current (oldish) Canon is 5.3 lb / 2.4 kg, so hopefully Nikon will drop like 2 lb / 1kg.

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1.9 kg for a 120-300/2.8 zoom is very optimistic. The sigma 120-300/2.8 is around 2.9 kg but it's rather old on the other hand.

Perhaps closer to 2.5 kg is more realistic?

Wonder if it will have mechanical focus or focus-by-wire, the latter might save some weight.

Or they might use the new type of lens construction that is in the Sony and Canons, with smaller lens elements closer to the focal plane.

Removing the protective lens element would save some weight also, canon and Sony don't have them.

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1.9 kg for a 120-300/2.8 zoom is very optimistic. The sigma 120-300/2.8 is around 2.9 kg but it's rather old on the other hand.

Perhaps closer to 2.5 kg is more realistic?

Wonder if it will have mechanical focus or focus-by-wire, the latter might save some weight.

Or they might use the new type of lens construction that is in the Sony and Canons, with smaller lens elements closer to the focal plane.

Removing the protective lens element would save some weight also, canon and Sony don't have them.
The old Canon 300mm f/2.8 IS II is 2.4kg. I assume Nikon is going to try to get down to at least 2.2kg, but 2.0kg is a much nicer target!

The Sony 300mm f/2.8 G SSM II is 5.2 lb / 2340 g, so again I think 2.2kg is a desirable target.

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A long time ago I used a film camera, so what currently is called full frame. I had a birding lens, but my secondmost favorite lens was a 70-210. I guess 120-300 is the result of the inflation of lenses that has happened in the meantime

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Old Thursday 5th September 2019, 02:29   #10
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I suspect Nikon wanted to add a kicker to the 300 f/2.8 G VR II successor. As long as it is as stunningly sharp as the current 300/2.8, it's a way to differentiate.

For shooting some sports on smaller courts, the 120-300 will help a lot when you are down towards one end of the court.
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I had a 70-210 Soligor, used it a lot but they are probably not around now...

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Surely will not be for the budget friendly snapper that is for sure. 8500.00 to 10,000.00 will be my guess on price for this new zoom... when are they taking orders is the question for me..?
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Anybody find out what SR means yet?
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Me, me me, It means'Nikon Short-wavelength refractive SR lens element. To reduce colour bleeding. mmm. https://nikonrumors.com/2020/01/06/n...x/#more-141958

UK price = 9,499 (USD 12,345 for comparison)
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Any takers at 3.25kg and US $9500 ???





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Still not sure about this. Nikon have increased the refraction of the blue part of the spectrum but that part is already refracted the most. So that's three elements just for CA correction.

It would be interesting to compare it to my 300 2.8 that I've had since 1996.
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Still not sure about this. Nikon have increased the refraction of the blue part of the spectrum but that part is already refracted the most. So that's three elements just for CA correction.

It would be interesting to compare it to my 300 2.8 that I've had since 1996.
Just one SR element according to the lens diagram.




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Ah, four then, two fluorites, one ED and one SR. All for CA correction. I remember when the Nikon 135mm f2 came out with no special glass, Nikon said it didn't need it. It'll be interesting to see how it behaves with the TCs.
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I think the thing they are trying to do is to get a zoom to the same optical level as a prime. If you need a zoom, say for field sports, then this might be just the ticket and give you the same results across the zoom range as a prime (I'm speaking hypothetically here, have not seen any actual tests). At least, I guess that's the selling point.

Personally, I'd be happier with a 2kg - 2.5kg lens (like the Canon 300/2.8 IS II).
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Marc, I think that was exactly the aim, a zoom with prime IQ, and the MTF charts (for what they are worth) would indicate a large amount of success in that.

But 3.25kg ??? C'mon ! they've seriously dropped the ball there ..... imho.




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Quite surprising - so Nikon waits for ever to FLerise and lighten the 300 f2.8, and then comes out with this strange concoction??

I wonder if they can get near 2.27kg or less for this thing ?

Can anyone that covers events in an amateur or Pro capacity, tell me exactly what this type of focal range would be used for ?



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I do rugby with my 300mm 2.8 VR and also 70-200mm 2.8 VR. Plus trail running too. With this new lens, I can eliminate the 70-200mm coz I seldom used the 70mm.
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I do rugby with my 300mm 2.8 VR and also 70-200mm 2.8 VR. Plus trail running too. With this new lens, I can eliminate the 70-200mm coz I seldom used the 70mm.
Thanks for that.

It would also seem ideal for court sports - basketball, volleyball, netball, tennis etc, as well as motorsports (where you can get close to the track - grandstands, hairpins etc), as well as theatres, concerts etc.

I imagine that mostly you would want to shoot that type of stuff handheld? - but there's no way I would want to hand hold that beast !




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Thanks for that.

It would also seem ideal for court sports - basketball, volleyball, netball, tennis etc, as well as motorsports (where you can get close to the track - grandstands, hairpins etc), as well as theatres, concerts etc.

I imagine that mostly you would want to shoot that type of stuff handheld? - but there's no way I would want to hand hold that beast !




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I used on monopod. But nowadays, mostly on heavy duty Optech USA lens strap because rugby allows me to move around the field. Not like soccer.
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Exclamation SR stands for ..... !

"SR (short wavelength refracting) to reduce longitudinal chromatic aberration" ...... according to an article in DPReview on the new Z mount 70-200 f2.8 S.




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