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Old Friday 8th October 2010, 11:29   #1
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Tree pipit or meadow pipit

Could this be a tree pipit as opposed to a meadow pipit ? Taken on shore in Ayrshire Scotland

http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Anthus_pratensis


"Plumage-wise, the tree pipit tends to have a stronger face pattern than Meadow Pipit," http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Tree_Pipit




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Old Friday 8th October 2010, 11:32   #2
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I'd say thats a Meadow Pipit, maybe it has a slightly strong face pattern put i dont really see anything else to suggest Tree Pipit.
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Old Friday 8th October 2010, 11:35   #3
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Thanks Adam for a quick response,

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Agree with Adam - meadow pipit.
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Old Friday 8th October 2010, 12:04   #5
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Just realised I was looking at the wrong photo, the one in the first link. Having now had a look at the correct photo I agree with Adam & Tim but a very well marked individual.

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Thanks guys

To confuse things ( me anyway !) it does not look the same as this one ??



http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sho...5/ppuser/81837
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To confuse things ( me anyway !) it does not look the same as this one ??



http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sho...5/ppuser/81837
Meadow pipits can be remarkably variable, especially in Autumn. Yours is a meadow pipit. I find that the best distinguishing feature for tree pipit (apart from the call - a harsh "speeze") is the streaking on the flanks. Tree Pipits almost always have thin flank streaks.

Edit: that said - the bird you link to the post above looks more like a Rock Pipit to me.
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Thanks, thats probably why I am confused !! The rock pipit was on grass and the meadow pipit was on the rocks !!

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Edit: that said - the bird you link to the post above looks more like a Rock Pipit to me.
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Could this be a tree pipit as opposed to a meadow pipit ? Taken on shore in Ayrshire Scotland

http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Anthus_pratensis



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Go to this link and scroll down, and tht's a Skylark in flight, not a Meadow Pipit.

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No wonder Im confused !!
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Go to this link and scroll down, and tht's a Skylark in flight, not a Meadow Pipit.

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Quite right. Have flagged it for edit in the Opus discussion forum... http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....99#post1947099

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Go to this link and scroll down, and tht's a Skylark in flight, not a Meadow Pipit.

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Now corrected. Shame to lose that lovely Skylark pic, though!
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Now corrected. Shame to lose that lovely Skylark pic, though!
Skylark pic now on the Skylark page. This article now shows both upper and underparts in flight... howzat

And I think representing two subspecies?

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