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Old Sunday 16th September 2018, 09:00   #1
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Bird near Madrid (Spain)

Hi all,

could you please help me with the identification of the bird in the picture?

The picture was take yesterday near Madrid (Spain).

Thanks in advance,
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Old Sunday 16th September 2018, 09:05   #2
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Red-backed Shrike, juvenile.
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Old Sunday 16th September 2018, 09:18   #3
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I think it's a Woodchat Andrew. Pale bases to the primaries for example
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I think it's a Woodchat Andrew. Pale bases to the primaries for example
Yes, sorry. Was thrown a bit by the reddish tone, which I guess is a light effect. The median coverts are also better for Woodchat.
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Old Monday 17th September 2018, 08:24   #5
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I guess Red-backed Shrike would be a vagrant in Madrid ? AFAIK, Northern Spanish population migrate east along Med coast to Egypt (where they moult), then finally Africa south of the Sahara.
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I guess Red-backed Shrike would be a vagrant in Madrid ? AFAIK, Northern Spanish population migrate east along Med coast to Egypt (where they moult), then finally Africa south of the Sahara.
I just checked Ebird and it seems it's fairly regularly seen just north of Madrid (including a few recent records) so not a vagrant. Woodchat is much commoner though.
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Old Monday 17th September 2018, 09:42   #8
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Yes, sorry, I did not include the specific place where the bird was observed.

The picture was taken SE of Madrid in an eBird hotspot called "Soto Gutierrez".

That is not NW of Madrid (highlands) but the lowlands.

Red-backed Shrike is fairly regularly seen just north of Madrid in the breeding period and now they are leaving towards Africa following the the Med coast to Egypt and afterwards to Africa.

So, SE Madrid is neither in their natural breeding territory nor in their natural migration path.

Woodchat is much more common all around Madrid, both highlands and lowlands. They should be now leaving towards Africa crossing the Strait of Gibraltar to the Sahel.

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Depends where in Madrid province. In the mountains near Madrid city (50 km away, to the north) there are regular sightings, and breeding of a few pairs has been reported from both Guadalajara and Cuenca mountains, not very far away. It would be more a question of the height (habitat) were the sighting took place. In the central and southern part of the province it would be very rare, indeed.

https://ebird.org/map/rebshr1?env.mi....5207524818803

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I guess Red-backed Shrike would be a vagrant in Madrid ? AFAIK, Northern Spanish population migrate east along Med coast to Egypt (where they moult), then finally Africa south of the Sahara.
(uppss, didn't notice the cross-posting!)
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