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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 18:46   #1
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House Sparrows or Spanish Sparrows - Romania

Please can anyone advise which species the birds in the attached photo are. They seem to be associating with a Stork nest.
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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 19:24   #2
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Based on the male to the left, the plain belly (no streaks), they are House; mixed colonies are possible, but AFAIK, Spanish is not common in Romania.
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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 19:31   #3
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In a photo of such indifferent quality, most look unidentifiable either way to me
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The bird I cropped and shown by the red arrow has a black breast, it is a male. Plain belly and flanks exclude Spanish, don't you think so?
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Thank you for your kind inputs.
I understand from trip reports that I read that in Romania, although the House Sparrow is more common than Spanish Sparrow, the latter is by no means rare in some parts of the country and furthermore has a tendency to attach itself to Stork nests.
The photo I had to upload had to be cut back in size to be uploadable to this forum.
I have focussed on one of the birds in the photo and attached it here. I would be grateful for some further thoughts please if possible.
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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 19:49   #6
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Thank you for your kind inputs.
I understand from trip reports that I read that in Romania, although the House Sparrow is more common than Spanish Sparrow, the latter is by no means rare in some parts of the country and furthermore has a tendency to attach itself to Stork nests.
The photo I had to upload had to be cut back in size to be uploadable to this forum.
I have focussed on one of the birds in the photo and attached it here. I would be grateful for some further thoughts please if possible.
On the last photo, it is a Spanish (or hybrid, but looks like regular Spanish). House much over number Spanish in Romania, but the later can have increased since I visited (early 1990').
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Thank you very much

The full photo has about 20 sparrows on it and I have put it here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddy6n7z79g...anish.jpg?dl=0

I would be grateful if you had any thoughts on the birds that seem to have colonised the Stork nest.
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The full photo has about 20 sparrows on it and I have put it here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddy6n7z79g...anish.jpg?dl=0

I would be grateful if you had any thoughts on the birds that seem to have colonised the Stork nest.
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Seems to be both species!
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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 23:47   #9
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It is well known that Spanish sparrow nest in colonies under stork nests. I am not sure I have ever heard or seen house sparrow doing this.

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The bird I cropped and shown by the red arrow has a black breast, it is a male. Plain belly and flanks exclude Spanish, don't you think so?
Yes, that's why I wrote 'most'! In Spain, I usually find them in mixed flocks.
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It is well known that Spanish sparrow nest in colonies under stork nests. I am not sure I have ever heard or seen house sparrow doing this.

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House Sparrows can and do make a home in Stork nests ....
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Seems house sparrows do. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17216183

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It is well known that Spanish sparrow nest in colonies under stork nests. I am not sure I have ever heard or seen house sparrow doing this.

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I've seen many colonies of House Sparrow in stork nest, it is very common.
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Old Sunday 5th August 2018, 09:22   #14
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both sp.commonly breed in stork nests, in southern romania usually in mixed colonies. spanish sparrow is very numerous along danube and in dobrogea but most leave the country by late summer. in this pic i see both spanish and house sparrow
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