Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Discover the ZEISS Digital Nature Hub

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Bird from China (in the gallery): Grey-crowned Warbler or Bianchi's Warbler

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Wednesday 21st May 2014, 01:27   #1
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
Bird from China (in the gallery): Grey-crowned Warbler or Bianchi's Warbler

This photo from the gallery is the Opus image for http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Grey-crowned_Warbler. The possibility has been raised that it might instead be Bianchi's Warbler.

To my mind, the split probably happened after the upload of this image, so the original id might not mean that much. I have no experience with either species, nor do I have a field guide showing any of these. Any good answers
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Wednesday 21st May 2014, 07:55   #2
halftwo
Wird Batcher
 
halftwo's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Silkstone Common
Posts: 8,798
Blog Entries: 1
Its location (Beidaihe, China) could be helpful.
__________________
Known to follow bird waves.
halftwo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 21st May 2014, 23:46   #3
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
bump
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Thursday 22nd May 2014, 06:09   #4
MacNara
Registered User
 
MacNara's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Nara, Japan
Posts: 2,742
Hi Niels:

If you are doing some cleaning on Opus and the Gallery, here's another couple.

In the gallery for Blue Rock Thrush, I'm pretty sure that the photo for April 17 2010 by AJDH is actually Rufous-tailed Rock Thrush (i.e. saxitilis not solitarius). And for April 2 2014 under the name dirdingtrekking, the poster has mistakenly posted a White-fronted Dipper as well as an actual Blue Rock Thrush photo.

I reported the Rufous-tailed a couple of months ago, using the link on the Gallery page, but never got a reply, and nothing happened.

And incidentally, I also never got a reply when I sent a message using 'Contact BF'. I wanted to make a donation at the yearend. In previous years, I could make a donation from Japan using my credit card, but via PayPal without actually having a PayPal account. This year PayPal won't work from here without me opening an account which I don't want to do. So, no donation possible. Sorry.
__________________
Animals, birds, people: http://kenyaview.earthworldview.com
MacNara is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Friday 23rd May 2014, 16:05   #5
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
Mac,
this post came about due to another user contacting me. I will see what I can do about your items as well, but my primary work is with the Opus, not the gallery.

Niels
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 24th May 2014, 01:25   #6
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacNara View Post
Hi Niels:

If you are doing some cleaning on Opus and the Gallery, here's another couple.

In the gallery for Blue Rock Thrush, I'm pretty sure that the photo for April 17 2010 by AJDH is actually Rufous-tailed Rock Thrush (i.e. saxitilis not solitarius). And for April 2 2014 under the name dirdingtrekking, the poster has mistakenly posted a White-fronted Dipper as well as an actual Blue Rock Thrush photo.

I reported the Rufous-tailed a couple of months ago, using the link on the Gallery page, but never got a reply, and nothing happened.

And incidentally, I also never got a reply when I sent a message using 'Contact BF'. I wanted to make a donation at the yearend. In previous years, I could make a donation from Japan using my credit card, but via PayPal without actually having a PayPal account. This year PayPal won't work from here without me opening an account which I don't want to do. So, no donation possible. Sorry.
Fixed.

Niels
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 24th May 2014, 01:34   #7
MacNara
Registered User
 
MacNara's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Nara, Japan
Posts: 2,742
Hi Neils, apologies if it was the wrong place. When you use Opus, you are invited to look at photos in the Gallery, and when you (Neils) want a photo for the Opus, you ask people to post them to the Gallery, so I thought they were the same thing from a BF point of view.

I use the Gallery sometimes (usually via Opus) because the Opus as such only seems to have space for one or two photos, and in birds with a lot of variety, features not all visible from the same angle, several sub-species, sexual dimorphism, or distinctive juveniles, the Gallery sometimes has shots. For example, the Opus mentions that there are five ssp and has photos of an adult male and a juvenile of what in Asia would be called pandoo ssp, but Opus doesn't specify the ssp, and to get photos of our phillippensis ssp (which has a red underbody) I have to go to the Gallery. (Interestingly, Svennson et al, Birds of Europe doesn't mention any ssp for this bird at all, not even what the ssp in Europe is.)

It's not an important matter in any sense (there must be quite a lot of mis-identified photos in the Gallery), but since I spotted it, I thought I'd let you know, and the mail link with the Gallery didn't produce any response. That's all. Thanks for replying.
__________________
Animals, birds, people: http://kenyaview.earthworldview.com
MacNara is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 24th May 2014, 02:17   #8
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
Mac,
your way of using Opus to approach the gallery is exactly the same I personally use, so well done.

My answer about only being involved with Opus these days was too short, I want to apologize for that. I should have said that a couple of years ago I got increased responsibilities at my work, so I am only able to put in very little work at BF; I have therefore chosen to concentrate what I do into Opus.

Anyone able to comment on my original request?

Niels
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 24th May 2014, 08:49   #9
delia todd
Moderator but....... If I say the wrong thing put it down to Senior Moments
BF Supporter 2020
 
delia todd's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Perthshire
Posts: 276,862
Quote:
I use the Gallery sometimes (usually via Opus) because the Opus as such only seems to have space for one or two photos, and in birds with a lot of variety, features not all visible from the same angle, several sub-species, sexual dimorphism, or distinctive juveniles, the Gallery sometimes has shots. For example, the Opus mentions that there are five ssp and has photos of an adult male and a juvenile of what in Asia would be called pandoo ssp, but Opus doesn't specify the ssp, and to get photos of our phillippensis ssp (which has a red underbody) I have to go to the Gallery. (Interestingly, Svennson et al, Birds of Europe doesn't mention any ssp for this bird at all, not even what the ssp in Europe is.)
Finding subspecies in the Gallery, rather relies on having a good knowledge of the species and, sometimes. a good geographical knowledge too. If the photographer has stated the subspecies we try to include that in the article, along with (hopefully) pictures of birds in flight, male, female, stages of maturity, colour morphs and some special behaviour that has been captured.

It is a bit easier to add several pictures if there is a lot of text in the article, however, there is a 'gallery' option, whereby several pictures can be placed alongside each other... see Bonaparte's Gull for an example of this feature.

So, please, please, let us know if you've taken, or come across a picture, that could usefully be placed on the relevant article (or better still learn how to upload such a picture yourself). Either PM an Opus Editor (their name shows in green), a Moderator, or post in the Opus Discussion area with a link to the image.

We're always looking for people to help with the editing - it's not difficult... honest!

Anyone have any input about the ID of this warbler?
__________________
In between goals is a thing called life, that has to be lived and enjoyed

My Lockdown List report - 2019 Down Under Trip Report

2006 63, 2007 52, 2008 46, 2009 32, 2010 31, 2011 27 Total 81 Last Patch tick: Magpie (locally scarce)

To live in hearts we leave behind
Is not to die - Thomas Campbell (17771844)


The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing - Socrates
delia todd is online now  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 24th May 2014, 08:55   #10
MacNara
Registered User
 
MacNara's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Nara, Japan
Posts: 2,742
Thank you Delia. My comment wasn't a complaint in any way. I use and enjoy Bird Forum every day, and I don't think you can do everything, or do everything perfectly. I get more out of Bird Forum than I put in, although I do answer when I think I can.
__________________
Animals, birds, people: http://kenyaview.earthworldview.com
MacNara is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 24th May 2014, 09:03   #11
MacNara
Registered User
 
MacNara's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Nara, Japan
Posts: 2,742
PS: Because I get a lot out of it, I have made a donation for a few years. But when I tried to make a donation this year (from Japan, where I live), Paypal wouldn't take a simple credit card payment, but insisted I open an account. I simply don't need this, and try to keep accounts to a minimum. Similarly, I have a UK Debit card, but the address is in Japan, so it wouldn't accept this either. You might do better to have a direct credit card payment system to yourself.

Paypal is owned by e-Bay who have just given over 200 million customers' information to hackers.
__________________
Animals, birds, people: http://kenyaview.earthworldview.com
MacNara is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Tuesday 27th May 2014, 18:03   #12
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
Still no China experts around?

Niels
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 00:37   #13
MacNara
Registered User
 
MacNara's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Nara, Japan
Posts: 2,742
Niels, apologies for derailing your thread (above).

Your problem sounds like a case for Rockfowl (Mark Andrews), but this is exactly the season when he is probably out in the field in China (birds on the move, and still not the blistering heat of summer), and may not be looking here. If you don't get a reply, then perhaps you could PM him, or post it when he is likely to be back (in a month or two).
__________________
Animals, birds, people: http://kenyaview.earthworldview.com
MacNara is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 04:43   #14
McMadd
You should see the other bloke...
 
McMadd's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tampere
Posts: 2,459
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacNara View Post
Niels, apologies for derailing your thread (above).

Your problem sounds like a case for Rockfowl (Mark Andrews), but this is exactly the season when he is probably out in the field in China (birds on the move, and still not the blistering heat of summer), and may not be looking here. If you don't get a reply, then perhaps you could PM him, or post it when he is likely to be back (in a month or two).
As Mark (Rockfowl) took the pic, I'm sure he'll have summat to say about the bird ;0)
McMadd is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 04:52   #15
MacNara
Registered User
 
MacNara's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Nara, Japan
Posts: 2,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by McMadd View Post
As Mark (Rockfowl) took the pic, I'm sure he'll have summat to say about the bird ;0)
Oops! I'm sure he will.

But if he identified it, I think you'd have to be pretty confident to challenge it.

But when he has another look, I think that if he decides his original identification was inaccurate, he will be the first (er, second) to say so. And if not, I expect he will defend it.
__________________
Animals, birds, people: http://kenyaview.earthworldview.com
MacNara is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 10:29   #16
rockfowl
Mark Andrews
 
rockfowl's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Leicester, UK
Posts: 8,350
Ooops!!

I was indeed in China, so didn't see this. It is actually I believe, a Bianchi's, not a Grey-crowned based on call and the not so obvious wingbar. Probably flagged up as its on the IBC as such, no idea why this one was uploaded wrongly labelled, I possibly uploaded a few at the same time and this one sneaked through.
There are certainly better images of these tricky Seicercus warblers out there, need Mr Eaton et.al to upload some from the breeding grounds.
Attached, a very similar looking Grey-crowned from Laoting, Hebei, China, also a scarce but regular overshoot.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	GreyC2.jpg
Views:	79
Size:	103.6 KB
ID:	499008  
__________________
DigiPics & Artwork - http://www.smandrews.com Digivideos - http://www.youtube.com/user/rockfowlmarkandrews
Support the Oriental Bird Club

Last edited by rockfowl : Wednesday 28th May 2014 at 10:33.
rockfowl is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 15:42   #17
njlarsen
Opus Editor
 
njlarsen's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. James, Barbados
Posts: 24,156
Thanks Mark.
I have the idea that the split of these warblers was not accepted in 2008 when this image was uploaded. I have now made some corrections and uploaded the new image to Opus.

Niels
__________________
Support bird conservation in the Caribbean: BirdCaribbean

Recently moved to Barbados
njlarsen is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 16:13   #18
McMadd
You should see the other bloke...
 
McMadd's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tampere
Posts: 2,459
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockfowl View Post
Ooops!!

I was indeed in China, so didn't see this. It is actually I believe, a Bianchi's, not a Grey-crowned based on call and the not so obvious wingbar. Probably flagged up as its on the IBC as such, no idea why this one was uploaded wrongly labelled, I possibly uploaded a few at the same time and this one sneaked through.
There are certainly better images of these tricky Seicercus warblers out there, need Mr Eaton et.al to upload some from the breeding grounds.
Attached, a very similar looking Grey-crowned from Laoting, Hebei, China, also a scarce but regular overshoot.
You costing me a tick there ya booger? This was the one on Lighthouse Point in '08 right?

McM
McMadd is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 28th May 2014, 17:31   #19
rockfowl
Mark Andrews
 
rockfowl's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Leicester, UK
Posts: 8,350
Quote:
Originally Posted by McMadd View Post
You costing me a tick there ya booger? This was the one on Lighthouse Point in '08 right?

McM
Nope, neither taken on Lighthouse
__________________
DigiPics & Artwork - http://www.smandrews.com Digivideos - http://www.youtube.com/user/rockfowlmarkandrews
Support the Oriental Bird Club
rockfowl is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Grey-crowned Warbler lavin_fara Opus Discussion Area 3 Wednesday 28th May 2014 15:41
Eastern Crowned Warbler? Happy Island, China Goedbloed Bird Identification Q&A 2 Sunday 26th May 2013 21:21
Yellow-browed Warbler or Hume's Warbler? china xuky.summer Bird Identification Q&A 22 Friday 27th April 2012 22:56
Orange-crowned Warbler or Palm Warbler? corralup Bird Identification Q&A 5 Thursday 6th October 2011 14:05
Yellow-throated Woodland Warbler, Fairy Warbler, Grey Cuckooshrike Alan Manson Photos of New Species for OPUS 0 Thursday 7th June 2007 06:14



Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.15051389 seconds with 32 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 22:34.