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Black Redstart, Common Redstart or Dunnock? Slovenia, August 2015

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Old Sunday 29th November 2015, 17:55   #1
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Black Redstart, Common Redstart or Dunnock? Slovenia, August 2015

Which species is this? And is it possible to age and sex this bird? I am also curious to know about the developing black patches on its chest. Juvenile moulting? Many thanks in advance. Seen in rural Slovenia in August. On roof. Finally, It would also be fantastic if you don't mind explaining the ID features of this bird!
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Old Sunday 29th November 2015, 18:29   #2
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Heavily moulting B Redstart?

Seems to be on a roof too, they like those.

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Old Sunday 29th November 2015, 20:44   #3
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That's what I thought. Any more agreements for Black Redstart?
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Old Sunday 29th November 2015, 20:55   #4
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Would agree with Andy - Black Redstart
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Old Sunday 29th November 2015, 21:45   #5
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Christ....Pics that are worse than mine!...melanistic Dunnock
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Old Monday 30th November 2015, 09:18   #6
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Which species is this? And is it possible to age and sex this bird? I am also curious to know about the developing black patches on its chest. Juvenile moulting? Many thanks in advance. Seen in rural Slovenia in August. On roof. Finally, It would also be fantastic if you don't mind explaining the ID features of this bird!
From my experience of rural Slovenia, the bird has been in a muddy/cows**t puddle that has almost dried out before it flew up on to the roof. Rural Slovenian villages still have byres in the village centres, and it isn't that rare to see stained passerines!
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Dunnock is a shy, hedgerow bird, they don't often sit on roofs, at least not where I live but not saying never!

I see them often from my kitchen window, feeding quietly on the ground but always hugging the edge of the bush line. They sing from high in a bush or tree in spring maybe a roof but not what I usually expect?

Do B Redstart winter in Slovenia? I've certainly seen them in Central Italy in December.

I don't think this bird is stained, I think it's moulting.

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Old Monday 30th November 2015, 12:23   #8
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It's an odd one, I think I see a pronounced gape line suggesting a juvenile, but here in France where they're very common I've never seen a plumage in this state, the juvéniles just become grey by August. So, it's either a 2nd year male moulting into the adult male plumage, or as MJB suggests, it's been s**t stirring
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Do B Redstart winter in Slovenia? I've certainly seen them in Central Italy in December.
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I have seen them in Germany this November, but not recently. There are plenty on neighbourhood roofs around my flat, on the edge of Elsen , Paderborn.
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Old Monday 30th November 2015, 13:04   #10
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Do B Redstart winter in Slovenia?
Bird was in August. But agree with points forwarded by Andy.
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