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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 01:45   #1
Susan Manchester
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Tangara lavinia dalmasi

I have seen Count de Dalmas' name listed in a couple places with the initials T. S. P., as in T. S. P. Raymond, Comte de Dalmas. Are these initials part of his name?
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Old Tuesday 3rd April 2012, 07:03   #2
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"Are these initials part of his name?"
I do not know what T.S. P. means but I think I can prove it is not part of his name. The only French commonly used salutation equaling T.S.P. is Tres-Saint Pere which means Most Holy Father which is used for the Pope of Rome or the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Unlikely to be applied to Compte de Dalmas. The T.S.P. is not a title because he continued to use le Compte and the "de' in his name. Signs of nobility. When de Dalmas was young he took his yacht around the world and the T.S.P. was not used to describe him then. So I believe the T.S.P. is an honorific, that is something he earned by his actions during his life. Honorifics can often be from being a judge or a member of a legislature. Le Compte Raymond de Dalmas early in his life did some ornithology work but later became an expert in spiders. This T.S.P. is probably not just a membership in a scientific society, because those initials usually follow the name not proceed the name. See all the ornithologists like Gould etc where after their name is F.R.S. etc. On the continent were chivalry orders which honored scientists, artists poets etc. I think that is what the T.S.P. is from but I do not know what it is. But it is certainly not part of his name. I hope that helps.

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Thank you so much, mb1848! That definitely helps!
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