Kammerdiner
Well-known member
Just watched the video. So delightfully honest, bad, silly, great, that Swaro just sold me on a 10x. Sign me up!
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New Product Introduction Today From Swarovski ? (1 Viewer)
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elkcub
Silicon Valley, California
See my comments on this Linet binocular dating back to 2012, post #23. You can believe what you wish but please don't lecture. CN reviews generally show the real field angle to be ~.5º less than advertised on the cover plate, but that's probably based on personal astro measurements. For terrestrial applications I prefer circular (not linear) apparent field calculations. Be that as it may, I've made personal comparative observations using Audubons that have ~70º AFOV and virtually the same body and optics quality. In addition, I don't believe Hiyoshi Kogaku would be a party to massive product deception as you suggest.
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Yes, I have the newer CL 8x30 and CL 10x30. I am surprised how good the 10x30 is. It show's less glare than the 10x32 SV I had and it has relatively easy eye placement for a 10x30. The newer CL's have a bigger FOV which you may like. I really like the size and weight of the CL's and the ergonomic's. The EDG's are excellent optically and are probably one of the best out there but as you say a little big and heavy for a 32mm and Nikon can be kind of lame when you deal with them compared to Swarovski. I don't spend any more money on binocular's. I just change my inventory about every two month's.:-O
Thanks, I am glad I could provide some humor in these bad times!
The video is interesting because you see how honest, sincere and genuinely proud of their product they are. They are not flashy or high pressure marketing people. They are just the people that work hard behind the scenes to bring out a new product.
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Dennis...I have a pair of CL's coming in tomorrow to compare side by side to the Meostars, HG's and Trinovids. Should be interesting.
No doubt the new Swaro's coming out will top just about anything out here. It seems like Zeiss and Swaro push each other every so many years. Now, the SF is how many years old now? ...With the inclusion of the 32mm, I wonder what might be next for Zeiss? or....what might Swaro do? I know in the video someone hinted (in a question) about the 32mm's...right? but no definitive response.
Conndomat
United States of Europe
Dennis...they change their binoculars more often than their underpants, a few weeks ago they still recommended EDG and spoke of good Nikonservice!
How can you be so fickle, the question is serious ???
Compliments to Swarovski, the Austrians are constantly losing in football against the Germans, in the field of binoculars, however, the Germans are only second winners,:-C once again, swarovski becomes world champion.:clap:
Andreas
I think the head rest would be a little more stabile than the Molcet technique and it would have the advantage of steadying the binocular's when you use them one handed. Often times using binocular's one handed can be handy and not only for hunter's. This guy claim's 20 to 25% improvement in stability. His comment on the big FOV is interesting and how it changes when you put them on a tripod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6fou0AFEB0&feature=youtu.be
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I am growing weary lately of Nikon's lack of support with their optical product's even though they have made some of the best binocular's around. It seem's like they are clueless when you ask them a question or need something. The EDG's have been discontinued for over 5 years now and they don't have any replacement part's so if you break them you are basically going to get a refund if you bought them in the US. I went back to a company I can get some support from, Swarovski.
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I think you will like the CL's. I liked the CL 8x30 so much I bought the 10x30. A 17 oz. binocular is really nice to carry all day and you don't miss much not having a 32mm. I am pretty sure Swarovski will follow with a 8x32 NL Pure within a year. They probably are already working on one.
Conndomat
United States of Europe
John A Roberts
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Hi Lee (post #277),
Your image shows the Zeiss SF's prisms flipped 180 degrees, so that the order of the 2 prisms in the optical train is changed
However, Swarovski states that the NL’s prisms are rotated 90 degrees (see the text included in post #85)
The prisms are probably still in their original order as in the EL SV, but orientated so that the flat sides of the 2 prisms are inboard
e.g. see a cutaway of an EL SV on display at the Swarovski factory, showing the conventional orientation; from: https://optics-info.com/swarovski-factory-tour-by-optics-trade/
(as the image shows the central axis of the light path, it makes clear both: the small degree of offset between the objective and ocular axes, and;
how the offset is maximised with the usual orientation)
Hopefully, as usual when Swarovski introduces a major new binocular, it will post a cutaway image of the NL’s innards so that what's been done will become clearer
John
Your image shows the Zeiss SF's prisms flipped 180 degrees, so that the order of the 2 prisms in the optical train is changed
However, Swarovski states that the NL’s prisms are rotated 90 degrees (see the text included in post #85)
The prisms are probably still in their original order as in the EL SV, but orientated so that the flat sides of the 2 prisms are inboard
e.g. see a cutaway of an EL SV on display at the Swarovski factory, showing the conventional orientation; from: https://optics-info.com/swarovski-factory-tour-by-optics-trade/
(as the image shows the central axis of the light path, it makes clear both: the small degree of offset between the objective and ocular axes, and;
how the offset is maximised with the usual orientation)
Hopefully, as usual when Swarovski introduces a major new binocular, it will post a cutaway image of the NL’s innards so that what's been done will become clearer
John
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This is what worries me about Nikon....will they / are they; really around for customer service & warranty etc.? So when I look at purchasing a Nikon, this simply has to come into play. Swarovski, well I know where they stand and I have no issue so purchasing a new product such as the NL, I know that even if little issues crop up, I am sure they will fix right away. Can the same be said of Zeiss? Or Leica? Not sure....
NDhunter
Experienced observer
Lee:
Thanks for the comparison photo, it seems the Zeiss Victory SF will have an EDGe in handling and the rear balance that makes them such a joy to use.
The SF does not need a forehead pad, what a distraction that seems to be.
Jerry
NDhunter
Experienced observer
Stan: How does the new NL have image stabilazation ? If you think the
forehead pad is the trick, I don't agree.
For 12x and above things are harder, and a tripod is helpful and often necessary.
Jerry
John A Roberts
Well-known member
There is some additional information in the form of a press release on the Swarovski site at: https://aa.swarovskioptik.com/press/NL_Pure_Eins_mit_der_Natur
It states that the waist area is oval in cross-section:
‘The incredibly compact optics are encased in a uniquely ergonomic housing . . .
With an oval recess between the thumb and index finger, the shape of the binoculars conforms to your natural grip.’
Also included is an image is of an actual unit rather than an artist’s impression
John
And another image of a real unit, giving an idea of the size of the bridge/ focuser area from: https://www.foto-erhardt.de/fernglas-spektiv/fernglaeser/swarovski/swarovski-nl-pure-8x42.html
It states that the waist area is oval in cross-section:
‘The incredibly compact optics are encased in a uniquely ergonomic housing . . .
With an oval recess between the thumb and index finger, the shape of the binoculars conforms to your natural grip.’
Also included is an image is of an actual unit rather than an artist’s impression
John
And another image of a real unit, giving an idea of the size of the bridge/ focuser area from: https://www.foto-erhardt.de/fernglas-spektiv/fernglaeser/swarovski/swarovski-nl-pure-8x42.html
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henry link
Well-known member
Hi John,
I thought I remembered mention of a 90º rotation somewhere. As was recently discussed in one of the Kowa BD II XD threads rotating the S-P prism cluster doesn't matter optically so any rotational position can be chosen to help achieve the desired body shape. As you can see in the diagram below, Swarovski has used both prism arrangements in the past. They might have stuck with the Schmidt prism as the back prism in the NL or they might have reversed the order if that worked better for the new body shape. I also hope we'll see a cutaway soon.
Henry
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I'm still very much intrigued by Swaro's idea of a forehead rest. It may be the germ of a revolution.
The US Army used a helmet mount for its night sights, just flip them down and instant night vision. In principle, a hat mounted binocular would work the same way.
Obvious challenges are the weight and bulk of the existing glasses.
Advantages would be built in stabilization, plus hands free operations.
I do believe IS is by far the most significant improvement in binoculars in the past half century. Finding a way to achieve that without electronics would be revolutionary imho.
The US Army used a helmet mount for its night sights, just flip them down and instant night vision. In principle, a hat mounted binocular would work the same way.
Obvious challenges are the weight and bulk of the existing glasses.
Advantages would be built in stabilization, plus hands free operations.
I do believe IS is by far the most significant improvement in binoculars in the past half century. Finding a way to achieve that without electronics would be revolutionary imho.
How might the forehead rest work as IS? I have never tried an IS binocular so don't know how to relate, but....if I brace my current binocular against the top of a rail or have an elbow on a pole etc, do you think that same effect would equal the IS that they state is from the forehead rest? ...
