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Possible male Blue-winged Teal x Northern Shoveler Hybrid - Los Angeles, CA, USA

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Old Monday 13th January 2014, 00:36   #1
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Possible male Blue-winged Teal x Northern Shoveler Hybrid - Los Angeles, CA, USA

Hopefully more photos coming by email from a guy with a much better telephoto lens I met at Sepulveda Basin.

White crescent, huge honker, bright ORANGE feet seen (a bit visible in photos), intermediate plumage. What do you guys think?

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Old Monday 13th January 2014, 00:50   #2
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Certainly looks like a good candidate to me, however, I am in no way an expert on hybrids

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Old Monday 13th January 2014, 01:13   #3
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Compare to this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2949355580/ - is Australian Shoveler kept much in captivity in California?
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What about a late first-fall male Northern Shoveler?

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What about a late first-fall male Northern Shoveler?

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The white facial crescent rules out any plumage of pure Northern Shoveler.
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Old Monday 13th January 2014, 01:19   #6
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The white facial crescent rules out any plumage of pure Northern Shoveler.
First-fall males can show a significant crescent.

I had a breeding plumage male that showed a pretty good crescent as well. It was discussed at this link.
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First-fall males can show a significant crescent.

I had a breeding plumage male that showed a pretty good crescent as well. It was discussed at this link.
I considered it but January seems very late, no?

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First-winter male shoveler in transitional first basic/first alternate plumage was my thought also. I saw several such birds at one of the local lakes today. Appearance varied considerably, though I didn't notice any face crescents.
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Old Monday 13th January 2014, 02:11   #9
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According to Sibley they should be in breeding plumage in December. So it would be late but not extremely so.
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First-fall males can show a significant crescent.
agree with this. i don't see any blue-winged teal involvement. a late developing 1st winter male northern shoveler.
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I saw 5 similar shovllers yesterday with the pale cresent on their face. They alsohad bright orange legs and similar body plumage. They were all 1st winter male common shovllers. and I have little doubt the above bird is too. 1st year shoveeers can be very late comming into plumage and a few do not manage it until their second breeding season.
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Compare to this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2949355580/ - is Australian Shoveler kept much in captivity in California?
Australasian was the first thing that came to mind for me too. although size of the bird is important . the Australasian being smaller than the northern.
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1st W Northern Shoveler. Looking at the size difference between the bird in question and the Green-winged Teal in #3 I think Australian Shoveler can be ruled out.

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