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Pipit ID from Al Ain, UAE, 29.11.2018

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Old Friday 30th November 2018, 19:05   #1
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Pipit ID from Al Ain, UAE, 29.11.2018

Hi all,
Is this a Tree Pipit or is there any other possibility?
Thanks in advance.
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Old Friday 30th November 2018, 20:41   #2
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Looks like a Mipit to me Peter.

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Old Friday 30th November 2018, 21:08   #3
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Looks like a Mipit to me Peter.

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Not sure non Brit will get the colloquialism Ken......

I think the flank streaking is too broad for Tree Pipit Peter so Meadow for me too.
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Old Saturday 1st December 2018, 01:14   #4
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It seems Meadow Pipit would be a rarity in UAE and Tree Pipit is common. The photos doesn't give much information but strong super is good for Tree Pipit which is my guess.
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It seems Meadow Pipit would be a rarity in UAE and Tree Pipit is common. The photos doesn't give much information but strong super is good for Tree Pipit which is my guess.
And the flank streaking?
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And the flank streaking?
The photo is not great, but the flank streaking is not that bold, is it ? I guess not too bold for a Tree Pipit.
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The photo is not great, but the flank streaking is not that bold, is it ? I guess not too bold for a Tree Pipit.
The flanks streak are broader than I'd expect, usually jut like pencil lines.

This is what I typically see here, I think you'll agree that the OP's barring is broader than this but may be within normal variation?

http://www.oiseaux-birds.com/passeri...arbres-sg1.jpg
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The flanks streak are broader than I'd expect, usually jut like pencil lines.

This is what I typically see here, I think you'll agree that the OP's barring is broader than this but may be within normal variation?

http://www.oiseaux-birds.com/passeri...arbres-sg1.jpg
If all the Tree Pipits were like this, we would probably never see identification request between Mipit and Tripit I guess !

Well, I'd be happy to have more expert opinions, but I guess you wouldn't fill a rare bird committee form for a Mipit with that photo, would you ?
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Old Saturday 1st December 2018, 11:30   #9
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Meadow Pipit is not a rare bird in the UAE. The checklist describes it as an "uncommon to fairly common winter visitor late October to late March, rarely April."
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Meadow Pipit is not a rare bird in the UAE. The checklist describes it as an "uncommon to fairly common winter visitor late October to late March, rarely April."
Ho... I've relied on HBW Alive map, and it is not mapped for UAE. My bad. I should have double-checked.
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What will Peter decide I wonder? Hopefully he'll hear a Meadow call and then can put it on his UAE list.
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Thank you so much guys!
I have here some more pictures. It was 2 birds together with 8 Water Pipits!
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And one more!
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Old Saturday 1st December 2018, 16:39   #14
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Old Saturday 1st December 2018, 16:52   #15
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Meadow all right
Isn't the rump looking a bit heavily streaked in the flight shot?
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Old Saturday 1st December 2018, 18:08   #16
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I'd suggest the bird facing left in the photos is a Meadow. The one shot of the bird facing right looks like a Tree.
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Old Monday 3rd December 2018, 01:20   #17
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Surely R T Pip for the last few pics. :-)
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Old Monday 3rd December 2018, 12:25   #18
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Sure its a difficult bird but as Jogresh said, I think its a first winter Red Throated Pipit with a slightly worn and bleached plumage. At least the second bird is, I understand that two birds are involved (the first picture with the bird facing to the right is a different bird and a more difficult picture, at leat for me. But I would be happy to lear from more experienced birders).
So, why would I say the scond bird is a Red T Pipit?
Although streaks on the flanks are weak, they are still within variation for RTP.
I can see typical white lines on the mantle, wrong for Tree and most Meadows.
Overall colours are good for this species (wrong for a typical Meadow, butI hav seen Meadows with similar colours) and as Andrew has said, rump streaks are good for RTP. Having said that, I see that the streaks could be a little darker and more contrasting, but they are still within variation for RTP (please note that both Meadow and Tree Pipit can show dark centers to the uppertail coverts, but almost always not the rump).
https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/red-th...cervinus/adult
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...Image_ID=82422
https://www.club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47501

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For the first bird in the original post, i'd go for a Tree Pipit.
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I would suggest this thread is taking a wrong turn because of that flight shot. There is only one bird involved I would think and in any case I can only see a Meadow pipit. I don’t have enough time for a detailed analysis right now so might come back to it later if needed.
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