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Old Sunday 27th October 2019, 00:03   #1
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Italy - Gulls

All seen early to mid October.

1) Seen at Bellagio / Lake Como. Noticed the 'clean' beak colors.

2) Seen at Verona. Noticed the 'dirty' beak markings, with the black / grey inclusions.

3) Seen at Bellagio / Lake Como. Black-headed or Mediterranean?

4) See in Verona. The dark spot seems a bit more smeared than in 3 and maybe the beak is slightly different. Same specie or did I manage to see both?

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Old Sunday 27th October 2019, 00:17   #2
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3 & 4 - Black-headed Gulls, both
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Old Sunday 27th October 2019, 03:53   #3
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2 Yellow-legged Gull.
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Old Sunday 27th October 2019, 07:51   #4
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Agree so far...

My initial thought on #1 was LBB but considering the strong light and the brutish head and driller it looks YLG to me but with a very strong cast on the mantle...

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Old Sunday 27th October 2019, 09:00   #5
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1 is also a YLG, agree on the others (2 YLG, 3,4 BHG).
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Is there any odd chance for a cross between YLG and LBB?

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such crosses exist but i see no evidence for a hybrid here. mantle colour in photos can be extremely deceptive in large gulls due to lighting conditions. the large and high bill with strong gonys angle definitely is of a male michahellis.
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