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John D

Active member

• May 11, 2004

• #1

Help needed again, with another I.D. and thanks once again for previous I.D.s

JOHN D

 

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harry eales

Ancient Entomologist

• May 11, 2004

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John,
Have a look at Water Carpet, Phoenix and Small Phoenix in your guides, if you still have the specimen it might help you. I'm not going to be more specific, I've had my shins kicked already today in another thread,

Harry Eales.

 

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Grampy Bustard

Well-known member

• May 11, 2004

• #3

How about Spruce Carpet?

 

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Angus T

Well-known member

• May 11, 2004

• #4

I'd agree with Spruce Carpet. A lot of the scales on left side are worn, but enough on right to see. I had quite a few spruce carpets today.

 

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John D

Active member

• May 12, 2004

• #5

Thanks for the replies folks, I agree with Grampy + Angus, it was a Spruce Carpet.
JOHN D

 

CJW

Hit-and-run WUM

• May 12, 2004

• #6

So you're all certain it's not a Grey Pine Carpet then?

 

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Angus T

Well-known member

• May 12, 2004

• #7

CJW said:

So you're all certain it's not a Grey Pine Carpet then?

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Have to chuckle, I agree its very valid point! I had about 20 of each this morning, or should I say 40 with some definite Spruce and some Definite Grey Pine. There is certainly an area between where its likely I make incorrect ID. Its more obvious when you have both side by side. If/when I get into dissection then I can look at this more closely, but its safe to say that I have both in numbers.

Back to moth in question, and now 'that my eye is in' if this is in my trap, it'd go down as Spruce. I spent quite a while deciding on my first 'Spruce carpet of season.

Also I'm only speaking of my own experience of these 2 species in my locality.

And to answer Chris's question, No I'm not certain

 

CJW

Hit-and-run WUM

• May 12, 2004

• #8

Hi Angus, sorry it's me being an awkward git!
I agree that this is a Spruce Carpet, but I also think that we should discuss (as on the bird forums) the relevant features which we use to confirm a species' i.d. Otherwise we a are less likely to learn anything from each other.
So for what it's worth (and with apologies to the abuse of John's photo):

1) At point 'A' in the photograph, this band is much wider across the entire wing (due to the general narrow width of the feature at point 'B') on Grey Pine Carpet
2) The depth of the mark at point'C' is very much 'shallower' on Grey Pine Carpet.

Hope this helps.

 

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Brian Stone

A Stone chatting

• May 12, 2004

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This is fantastically helpful guys! Can't wait to get some of these to try this out.

 

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Angus T

Well-known member

• May 12, 2004

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CJW said:

Hi Angus, sorry it's me being an awkward git!
1) At point 'A' in the photograph, this band is much wider across the entire wing (due to the general narrow width of the feature at point 'B') on Grey Pine Carpet
2) The depth of the mark at point'C' is very much 'shallower' on Grey Pine Carpet.

Hope this helps.

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Well I did take you up wrong, but I may be more sure whether my first one next year is Spruce or not. Skinner and Waring don't explain it that well.