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Old Monday 2nd December 2019, 00:56   #1
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Shorebirds Barbados Dec 1

I was out and about today. I would like to see if I got these right; Am Golden Plover; Black-bellied Plover; Lesser Yellowlegs (for this one I did consider Solitary Sa) and in the last image Least Sand and Semipal Sand (behind the other).

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Old Monday 2nd December 2019, 15:39   #2
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77 views and no comments, that must be some type of record?

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77 views and no comments, that must be some type of record?
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Agree on everything.
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I agree. I'm not sure we can be 100% sure about the semi-palmated sand in the last photo given the view but I think it's most likely
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Thank you both.
Regarding the somewhat hidden SeSa: I have a series of photos with the bird almost equally hidden in all. One of the other photos show the upperside as quite evenly grey but hides the head.

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Regarding the somewhat hidden SeSa: I have a series of photos with the bird almost equally hidden in all. One of the other photos show the upperside as quite evenly grey but hides the head.

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To the extent that they (semi-/Western) are separable at this time of year, I think key are bill shape and breast sides
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Western is much less common around here ...

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1 looks like another Black-bellied (Grey) Plover to me e.g. long bill, streaking on sides and lack of darker crown.
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1 looks like another Black-bellied (Grey) Plover to me e.g. long bill, streaking on sides and lack of darker crown.
Right now, I only want to comment on the bill: it seems a different shape to me? Does anyone else have comments to the above?

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1 looks like another Black-bellied (Grey) Plover to me e.g. long bill, streaking on sides and lack of darker crown.
Skipped over that one. I agree it is. Presume American Golden Plover ought to have a more pronounced supercilium too.
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agree with 1 and 2 as BB Plovers
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Leaning towards Western on #4 based on attenuated bill tip with slight droop. Not sure about Barbados, but Western is quite common in Winter on the East Coast of North America when Semipalmated is virtually absent.
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In 4 if the bill wasn’t open it would be easier to tell for sure
Also agree the first 2 are BBPL
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Doesn’t the absence of a visible hind-claw in #1 point towards LGP?

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I think there is a joke hidden in the LGP that I am not getting?

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For completeness: Sesa is always more common then WeSa in Barbados: https://ebird.org/barchart?r=BB&yr=all&m=

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I think LGP meant "Lesser Golden-Plover" which was the pre-split name. Anyway, the rear toe may be underwater in the first photo.
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One more photo of the first bird

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It’s definitely a BBPL. The bill is too large/bulbous and the supercillium too weak, structurally etc. Everything is BBPL about it, not denying that they can be tough to tell apart but it’s not that ambiguous in this case. I misidentified one in the field just the other day until looking at the photos I thought for sure it was AMGP. I didn’t have a scope and I screwed up the ID.

I think this is a good basic Golden Plover for comparison https://images.app.goo.gl/SM8omtnPrQKWd9z89
If you’re into subtle ID points note how long the tibia is too. Always longer than BBPL. Thinner body, longer wings and accentuated overall structure.

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