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Old Tuesday 23rd June 2020, 20:18   #201
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Steller's Sea Eagle is bigger than Pallas's. Steller's Sea Cow was enormous (but sadly gone). Steller's Sealion is the biggest! Steller's Eider...mmmmmm gorgeous…. Steller's Jay is a charismatic thief.

Stellerite is a mineral named after the chap.

Pallas is OK but that's a Steller performance.

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Old Wednesday 24th June 2020, 09:08   #202
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Steller's Sea Eagle is bigger than Pallas's. Steller's Sea Cow was enormous (but sadly gone). Steller's Sealion is the biggest! Steller's Eider...mmmmmm gorgeous…. Steller's Jay is a charismatic thief.
Stellerite is a mineral named after the chap.
Pallas is OK but that's a Steller performance.
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It was Pallas who actually named that bird as Steller's Sea Eagle...
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PS Covert claims of otherwise could be described as Steller by Starlight...!
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Old Thursday 25th June 2020, 21:34   #203
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I was inspired by the nonsense of this thread to start one about West Palearctic birds, but in Ruffled Feathers:
https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=391435
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Old Friday 26th June 2020, 11:47   #204
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Why is it nonsense to think about improving names?
I actually find it both hilarious and interesting.

Those who fail to see the humor and the in many posts are obviously having a different sense of humor (or a lack of...)
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Old Friday 26th June 2020, 14:48   #205
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Why is it nonsense to think about improving names?
I actually find it both hilarious and interesting.

Those who fail to see the humor and the in many posts are obviously having a different sense of humor (or a lack of...) :smoke:
Or it's simply, not funny
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Old Saturday 27th June 2020, 11:21   #206
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Back to funny bird names. In Poland, the Great Tit is called sikora bogatka, or a Rich Tit, from the colorful plumage. And, guess, Marsh Tit is called sikora uboga, or Poor Tit.

I also love the name of Wood Sandpiper in Russian: Fifi.
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Old Saturday 27th June 2020, 12:42   #207
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Back to funny bird names. In Poland, the Great Tit is called sikora bogatka, or a Rich Tit, from the colorful plumage. And, guess, Marsh Tit is called sikora uboga, or Poor Tit.

I also love the name of Wood Sandpiper in Russian: Fifi.
Well, as we're now off topic (English names for American birds), I may as well weigh in with more irrelevant information, the Russian name for a Ladybird is 'Gods little Cow'.....
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Old Saturday 27th June 2020, 14:13   #208
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Must be this way of thinking which named a hedgehog in English. For me it is just weird. And in parts of South Africa, a flatdog is a crocodile.
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Old Saturday 27th June 2020, 14:24   #209
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Best not to even think about Woodlice then ...

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Old Thursday 30th July 2020, 00:19   #210
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Well, the issue of renaming is back, getting more attention I daresay....

https://www.birdwatchingdaily.com/ne...-rename-birds/
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Old Friday 31st July 2020, 08:47   #211
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I really dislike renaming birds, because often I have an emotional attachment to these names. Just hearing the species name brings back memories of wonderful adventures I have undertaken, hiking and camping and birding all the way. This is especially true for American birds because for me these are exotic birds and my American adventures were the most epic (walking across Arizona and walking the Pacific Crest Trail from Mexico to Canada).

Therefore I hate to see these names go. And who even links birds to slavery?
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Old Friday 31st July 2020, 12:39   #212
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I really dislike renaming birds, because often I have an emotional attachment to these names. Just hearing the species name brings back memories of wonderful adventures I have undertaken, hiking and camping and birding all the way. This is especially true for American birds because for me these are exotic birds and my American adventures were the most epic (walking across Arizona and walking the Pacific Crest Trail from Mexico to Canada).

Therefore I hate to see these names go. And who even links birds to slavery?
Totally agree,
a pity that some others, have little, better to do.
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Old Friday 31st July 2020, 14:48   #213
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Why is it nonsense to think about improving names?
I actually find it both hilarious and interesting.

Those who fail to see the humor and the in many posts are obviously having a different sense of humor (or a lack of...)
Agreed....but most bird names are fine the way they are, but as evident here, there are many names that make no sense or are just highlighting the wrong feature of a bird. But I find this thread enjoyable
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Old Saturday 8th August 2020, 09:23   #214
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The NACC proposal passed. McCown's Longspur is dead, long live Thick-billed Longspur.

Seems to me like a trolling exercise from the NACC. "If you're going to make us do this, then we will adopt the worst name possible". While this name does seem to fall into a similar category to Sharp-shinned Hawk, Ring-necked Duck and Slender-footed Tyrannulet, it's better than the original.
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Shortgrass Longspur, Dakota Longspur, Gray Longspur would all have been better. Oh well...
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A more appropriate move would be making bird reserves close to black neighborhoods and introducing birdwatching in impoverished schools.
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Old Saturday 8th August 2020, 13:02   #217
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Old Saturday 8th August 2020, 13:08   #218
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I know nothing about you, Andy, other than from what I can gather from your posts on here, but you come across badly (or worse) in a large chunk of those - and it appears to be how you actively choose to present yourself (so probably an accurate representation of how you actually are).

Anything I might add would be against forum rules, so I will leave it at that.

EDIT: Post this is referencing has now been removed by admin, but point still stands.

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Old Saturday 8th August 2020, 13:22   #219
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I know nothing about you, Andy, other than from what I can gather from your posts on here, but you come across badly (or worse) in a large chunk of those - and it appears to be how you actively choose to present yourself (so probably an accurate representation of how you actually are).

Anything I might add would be against forum rules, so I will leave it at that.

EDIT: Post this is referencing has now been removed by admin, but point still stands.
My comment was totally tongue in cheek but as usual, has been misrepresented, misunderstood or whatever.

My inference was not that the arson or drug taking was a black issue, I should have added that it happens to most, inner City reserves, including one near me.

And you're right, you don't know anything about me.
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Old Saturday 8th August 2020, 13:47   #220
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My comment was totally tongue in cheek but as usual, has been misrepresented, misunderstood or whatever.
Aye, as usual, it's everyone else.

"And you're right, you don't know anything about me."

As I said, I can only go on how you choose to present yourself on here - same as everyone else who hasn't had the 'pleasure' of meeting you in person. It is entirely your choice to present yourself in that way. Have a nice day.
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Aye, as usual, it's everyone else.

"And you're right, you don't know anything about me."

As I said, I can only go on how you choose to present yourself on here - same as everyone else who hasn't had the 'pleasure' of meeting you in person. It is entirely your choice to present yourself in that way. Have a nice day.
People like you, chose to assume that my comment about arson etc, was aimed solely at the black community, it was not!

My own reserve locally got burned down and my comment was an indictment of inner Cities generally but as usual, certain people interpreted my words, to create an opportunity for outrage, not for the first time.

If you cannot also see, that my naming suggestion was absolutely tongue in cheek

You and your ilk, do a far better job of 'misrepresenting' me than I do of presenting myself, that's ok. The problem is in your mind, not mine, you just cannot wait for the next opportunity to be outraged, I too, wish you a nice day.
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