Near Bukit Lawang N Sumatra rice fields (1 Viewer)

ebwilderae

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• Mar 13, 2013

• #1

White bellied sea-eagle perhaps?

A pretty autonomous rooster. Sure looks like jungle fowl to me.

Thanks

 

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rockfowl

Mark Andrews

• Mar 14, 2013

• #2

Not a White-bellied for me, structure and the lack of obvious black in the wing, looks more like a Oriental Honey Buzzard.

Not sure about the Junglefowl, I've been fooled by very close domestic in Thailand... thought most southern had a large white patch in the rear wattle - http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=46&Bird_ID=53&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1
Don't know about Sumatra, but other than that, yours looks pretty good.

 

ebwilderae

Well-known member

• Mar 14, 2013

• #3

Ah, you've been to Baan Maka too? Wonderful place must return. In US we have refined this bird to wings at Hooters which is a well-spent afternoon.

Yes we saw O honey buzzards in Thailand passing through at that time so would make
sense and appreciate your comments re structure. I do see some black at the tips but maybe not enough for the other.

 

njlarsen

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Opus Editor

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• Mar 14, 2013

• #4

Compare the raptor with these: http://www.birdforum.net/opus/White-bellied_Sea_Eagle

http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=387611

Niels

 

viator

Well-known member

• Mar 14, 2013

• #5

rockfowl said:

Not a White-bellied for me, structure and the lack of obvious black in the wing, looks more like a Oriental Honey Buzzard.

Not sure about the Junglefowl, I've been fooled by very close domestic in Thailand... thought most southern had a large white patch in the rear wattle - http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=46&Bird_ID=53&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1
Don't know about Sumatra, but other than that, yours looks pretty good.

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Definitely not a Sea Eagle and agree with Oriental Honey Buzzard.

For me I'd say the Junglefowl is mostly likely domestic or at least not a pure native one - the white-patch should also be present in Sumatran ones (at least in my guides but I've not been in person yet). In the rest of Sth East Asia I don't give the males a second look if the white patch isn't present.

 

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stonechat1

New member

• Mar 14, 2013

• #6

I doubt the sexing of the Junglefowl in your link, Mark.

 

ebwilderae

Well-known member

• Mar 15, 2013

• #7

Thanks for the link on the sea-eagle. I need to spend more time at opus. Clearly not that one so going with O honey-buzzard which I think now is Crested h-b. Thanks again.

 

rockfowl

Mark Andrews

• Mar 15, 2013

• #8

Crested HB is an alternate name for Oriental HB, just in case you didn't realise that...

 

Jacana

Will Jones

• Mar 15, 2013

• #9

I agree that the Junglefowl is a domesticated version, Those legs are too beefy and the overall structure is off.

 

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KGS

Well-known member

• Mar 15, 2013

• #10

Pretty sure the raptor isn't a Honey buzzard but probably a Changable Hawk-Eagle. Check the very obviously bulging arm on a generally very broad wing. I'm not quite sure if Wallace's HE can be completely disregarded.

 

Hor Kee

Penang birder

• Mar 15, 2013

• #11

The three main characteristics of a pure Red Junglefowl are (1) Large white rump; (2) White wattles in front of the usual red ones; and (3) grey legs. Other less reliable ones include the smaller size and generally longer spurs. Your cock is clearly a domesticated one.