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Old Saturday 1st September 2007, 09:46   #1
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"hudsonian" Whimbrel

Does anyone out there know what the latest thinking is on this sub-species?

Have the Americans separated this one already, and how long do you reckon it'll be before the BOU recognize it as a full sp?

There must be a few hopefuls like me who have either seen the Cambrian or the Fair Isle birds, waiting to add this to there lists!
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Old Saturday 1st September 2007, 10:41   #2
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Numenius hudsonicus is recognised by DBA/CSNA, but not yet by AOU, ABA, AERC, BOURC, STC, Dickinson (Howard & Moore) 2003, Gill & Wright (IOC) 2006 or Clements 2007.
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Old Saturday 1st September 2007, 15:14   #3
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Cheers for that, looks like we might be in for a long wait then eh!
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Old Saturday 1st September 2007, 22:26   #4
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To me, it not only looks but also sounds different from European birds. Stay in that armchair!
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Old Sunday 2nd September 2007, 03:33   #5
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Formerly (historically) called Hudsonian Curlew.
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Old Sunday 2nd September 2007, 08:53   #6
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...and indeed recognised as such by AOU until lumped with phaeopus in the AOU checklist 5th edition (1957).
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... and hopefully one day it will be rightfully restored to species status.

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Old Wednesday 12th September 2007, 09:21   #8
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What does IQ40 say then?

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Old Wednesday 12th September 2007, 11:52   #9
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What does IQ40 say then?

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Tick!!!!!!!!

get it on your list

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Tick!!!!!!!!

get it on your list

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I might be just a wee bit biased, but I would tend to agree. The two birds look very different given a good look.
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Old Tuesday 18th September 2007, 08:36   #11
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What do they sound like Dougie? I must have heard them in Florida but can't remember (it was 1988).

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Old Tuesday 18th September 2007, 12:34   #12
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When I seen the Fair Isle bird it was resting and didn't call or fly while I was there, so still don't know for myself! Was told they sound just the same by a couple of birders living on Fair Isle, who had heard this bird call frequently.

I still managed to get the dark rump etc with the bird wing flapping and preening, and the head stripes seemed a lot stronger too. Interestingly the bill seemed very long for a Whimbrel as well, much more the length of a Curlew, but there is a lot of size difference in the sexes!
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Old Tuesday 18th September 2007, 12:40   #13
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Lawts 2007 does not afford the species separate status.

..............dipped at Barrow-in-Furness! Definately only a sub-species.
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Old Tuesday 18th September 2007, 12:59   #14
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for those of you wanting to know if you can tick it...

'marked' genetic differences i think...

plumage differences (hudsonicus showing dark rump and under-wings, unlike the European nominate race with its white rump and under-wings)

calls though are similar in contrast to the many allotaxa in the Scolopacidae treated as separate species”

This is the position of the SACC (South American Classification Committee) of American Ornithologists' Union based Zink et al. (1995) I expect it will be split when they get around to it!

many people must have seen this bird now. Suprised this info isn't more widely known.
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