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Old Tuesday 10th May 2016, 16:49   #26
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Joachim, thanks for the information and courteous offer to be a middle man for the TSN-1. I'll let you know in time if I'm interested.
How's that (darn ugly) tripod? Can't find much info on it online.

Right now I'm trying to convince two TS-823 sellers to ship to me. Despite the greater weight of a larger lens, it appeals to me because I know I'll be wanting it further down the road for seabirds viewing on some higher mags.

Indeed I also suspect the 613 to be (a bit?) superior over the tsn-1, so that's something serious to consider. Weight and size of the 613 is a plus above the tsn-1 as well, latter's ruggedness a plus. But the tsn-1 is half the price of the 613 and then includes a tripod...a steal?

The Opticron is a nice set indeed, for a really good price (all bought separately way more expensive) and the scope gets very good reviews for a low/mid budgetter. A new scope gives a nice feeling. But if the same budget gets me some top quality...

Maybe someone knows how to compare the Opticron IS 60ED WA to the Kowa TS-613? Big difference? The Kowa has the old zoom eyepiece, the Opticron the HR2 zoom.

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Old Tuesday 10th May 2016, 18:47   #27
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Hi,

if you can get the 823, that would be great... it has two great fixed EPs and will take current EPs for the 600/660/82SV series with an adapter TSN-EC1A (still available from Kowa). And if you get one with a zoom from that series, that one was much improved.

Frankly the 613 is kinda expensive in my opinion. I got my TSN-3 with same bad old zoom for 400€ and that included a much sought after Cullman Titan heavy duty tripod and ballhead which I'll probably put on ebay since it's rated for 30kg+ and weights 7kg...

The TSN-1 at the price asked is a good deal even if the tripod is no good, although I expect it to be passable. Nothing online on the type but its been sold under the name of a little german company building specialized heavy duty tripods for lighting or music purposes...

If I had to choose between the 613 and the IS 60 offers only, I would take the latter. It has a stable tripod and no current zoom EP can be as bad as the 90s vintage Kowa zoom.

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Old Tuesday 10th May 2016, 18:52   #28
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Thank you, Joachim! And there's a new one in the mix: Celestron Regal M2 65ed! Bit over my budget but...

I agree on the kowa 613 being overpriced and yes...I know the reputation of that old zoom...

Let's wait if the 823 sellers bite, if not I start looking at the new Opticron and Celestron first, I think...

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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 08:40   #29
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Well. One ts823 seller is willing to ship if I pay full 470 for the set (bag, Velbon tripod and 32wa eyepiece)...it's top end of my budget, was looking for Opticron Regal m2 65ed or Vnguard Endeavor 82a for that price minus the tripod... I'd want an additional eyeiece with th 823...50x or a new good zoom. What pruces do thise go at?
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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 08:57   #30
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My advice is: go to a good shop first and have a try of different telescope types to avoid disappointments and to avoid that you are stuck in the polder with your folding bike , with a too heavy scope and a tripod that falls over upon approach of mosquitos.
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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 09:42   #31
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I know, Gijs, I know. And I'm past flimsy tripods now, accepted I will need something better than an compact and will have to carry that with me.
And yes I know House of Outdoor is a dealer of Kowa, Vanguard and Opticron and I might be able to test some of my choice there. But they're a nono for a buy because even with the 20% discount ticket they're still quite expensive on their pricing for me...

Aaaand I know Ganymedes has the Celestron to try out

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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 14:05   #32
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Well. One ts823 seller is willing to ship if I pay full 470 for the set (bag, Velbon tripod and 32wa eyepiece)...it's top end of my budget, was looking for Opticron Regal m2 65ed or Vnguard Endeavor 82a for that price minus the tripod... I'd want an additional eyeiece with th 823...50x or a new good zoom. What pruces do thise go at?
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the price of 470 ukp inc. tripod seems not super cheap but ok.
Regarding 823 EPs that's a bit tricky - first there are the official ones, all discontinued. They do come up from time to time on ebay, but not exactly frequently. See the following thread for a list.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=309154

Then there's the current EPs for the 600, 660 and 82SV series which fit with a quite expensive adapter TSN-EC1A (89) . The zoom for this is called TSE-Z9B and is 300 or so.

Then BF user mayoayo has modified a Baader Hyperion astro zoom to fit the 823 but this needed a little modification of the zoom EP and some machining on an adapter ring delivered with the zoom (changing an M45 to an M51 thread.
In case you are interested, you might want to PM him. The Baader Zoom is quite nice on my astro refractor and I did a quick try on my TSN-3 by just holding it in the bayonet flange and got into focus at 150m or so - haven't tried infinity yet though.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=302688

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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 17:02   #33
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I was not referring to one special shop, any shop with sufficient items will but how about ABRO in Zaandam, who might have some used items to investigate.
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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 17:47   #34
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For under 500euro you should be able to pick up a Nikon EDii. If you can get one with the fixed 24x I'd strongly recommend it. I used the straight model for a few years when I had less cash than I do now, and it never let me down - used it in Central America, Morocco, Thailand, UK... I was also lucky as mine didn't leak either. Here is a mint straight model for a good price: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nikon-60mm...YAAOSwLs5XLZvD but I've seen them go for a lot less - I sold mine for 150, and have replaced it with an ED50 & ED82. The 823 is a lovely scope but a bit of a beast. The 613 is still one of the best compact scopes out there, particularly with the 30x wide. TSN3's are also solid workhorses and deliver great images still rivalling the top generation after 30+ years. Good luck with your scope quest!
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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 19:39   #35
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Thanks @ Gijs for the ABRO suggestion, didn't know them and have just mailed them for info. What was that store in Utrecht you mentioned with 2ndhand tripods?

Thanks @ Daniel for the Nikon EDII/III suggestion! Looking into that.

I'm skipping the current available Kowa's: some too much hassle, or not ideal with EP's...maybe one will come along later.

Right now wondering how samepriced Celestron Regal M2 65ED and Vanguard Endeavor HD 82a would compare, already read everything on them :) Celestron seems optically superior, and big plus in the 1.25" ep options, the 82 lens of Vanguard might offer more clarity but seems to not perform that good at 40+ mags which would be better for future seawatch. Besides that, variety in samples is large, and I know from experience with the 10x42 EDII bins that build quality is not that fantastic...Chinese. Too bad the Regal 80ED is financially out of reach...find them cheap in US but with import taxes pricing is still too high.

I will go try them both and in the meantime keep watching for a nice 2ndhand to come along.

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Old Wednesday 11th May 2016, 21:56   #36
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Hi,

being patient is probably a good idea. Another model to look out for would be the Pentax 65 ED. Compact, good optics and takes astro EPs. There's one in the classifieds atm but it's straight and US only.

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Old Thursday 12th May 2016, 13:12   #37
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Ries, post 36,
Fotofilmoffice Biltstraat Utrecht has a lot of tripods. Give my regards to Thomas.
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Old Thursday 12th May 2016, 13:14   #38
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Ries, another suggestion perhaps: In august there is an international open air optics fair in the streets of Doesburg, you can find some excellent stuff there for reasonable prices.
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Old Thursday 12th May 2016, 13:42   #39
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Hey, that's a fun suggestion, Gijs! Don't know if I can wait that long haha, but it might pay off.
Thanks for the Utrecht tip; will check them out. And this morning I found your article on scopes and digiscoping will dig into that later on.

ABRO and HoO currently don't have anything 2nd hand in my budget :(

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Well, I've come to the conclusion the Celestron Regal M2 65ed is a good choice for me. Up in my budget, best combo diameter/price/portability and ordered from a good Dutch service store, Ganymedes, where I could get all the eyepieces to dream of.

Then tripod/heads.. that was a quest and just able to go shopping to Utrecht that one Saturday a week when I want to actually go birding I ventured online...Wanting 3 section legs and preferably fluid 2way head I decides Vanguard Alta's were too low and flimsy although the gimmicky pistolgrip looked nice.
Two Velbon combo's caught my eye: this one I liked the sturdy tripod but not the head...and this one the head but not the 4 section tripod...grrr.

The I found a combo I liked, with 150e on top of my budget and more expensive than the other ones but I want to get it as right as possible the first time around: Velbon Sherpa E5300D with Velbon FHD-53D.

A strap with it (think Speyside sling is too wobbly qhen cycling, the other shoulder strap is sweatier on my back but better) and I'm done.

Comments? Something I might be overlooking?
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Old Monday 23rd May 2016, 14:15   #41
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Hi,

congratulations on your new scope and tripod - this looks like a good combination. You might want to have a look at

http://www.nickcarverphotography.com...ipod-leg-pads/

to get some padding on your tripod McGuyver style...

I have taken my scope with me on the bike using this:

http://www.orniwelt.de/products/Stat...agesystem.html

I suspect that the original scopac works as well.

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Old Monday 23rd May 2016, 14:23   #42
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Hey thanks Joachim! Although I'm now strongly opting for the more expensive but also a bit sturdier Velbon Sherpa E6300D(A). Would you think the kg extra loadability would offer more stability, and worth the €12 extra? Too bad I keep on getting to the 65cm total transport length...wanted shorter but stability is most important on the long run, and weight is still quite low, I think.

Thank for the tips for padding and scopebag. But I can't wear backpacks for long, certainly in summer that's the main area on my body where I sweat like crazy, sadly enough... An op-tech sling will already be sweaty enough for me, but the Mondell Speyside sling (IF I could obtain one)...would be better on one hand but on the other I doubt the stability while cycling/hiking.
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Well, ordered scope, FHD-53D and Sherpa E6300D...spending way more than I wanted but want to prevent ending up with even slightly unstable stuff. The extra cash...won't be missed Excited to get it all!
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Hi,

ok forgot about the rucksack problem... what about the solution shown as Karipod in here - should be as stable on your back as the backpack, could probably be McGuyvered too and leaves your back free

http://www.birdforum.net/attachment....8&d=1159138721

I'd say both 5300 and 6300 models are fine with the 6300 allowing for a camera and adapter for digiscoping...

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Everything arrived and tested (not yet in the field) and I'm reaaaaally happy! Everything exactly the max size for comfortable carrying, build quality scope really good and the image is simply stunning. I don't see any light change on higher mags, only sharpness reduces a little bit but not even that much. Great stuff.
Carrying case/readybag had a loose seam next to a zipper right out of the box, so gotta get that changed for a new one, but besides that it's all dandy!

Carrying with an op/tech strap crossed over head/shoulders (as I want/need to when cycling) gets the gear horizontally pointed sideways...not so safe and comfy. Tried it upside down, then it goes vertical and that's way better, but can the connection plate/ball head endure that stress on the long run...? Scares me a bit carrying it like that.
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Old Sunday 12th June 2016, 06:35   #46
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Well...as Velbon claims the head can't handle when I'm walking/cycling with the scope attached, I'll have to go with another head and try to sell the Velbon. Going for the Manfrotto 128RC for €80 orrr the €109 MVH500AH which 1. seems more bulky than I'd like, esp the qr plate, and 2. with handle left (which I like for righthand focussing the scope while panning) I can't fix the tilt which stays on the left as well... Quick release system of 128rc seems strong enough for me to carry the scope around attached to it. Now to find it out if the scope can have the 128rc qr plate fixed the other way around or the sideways mvh500ah is still a better option which negates the left tiltfix...Hate sorting out stuff to prevent disappointments, want to have the choices easier than reality is.

Berlebach tripod bicycle bag to carry stuff around and not so fantastic op/tech strap for walking short stretches... Hope I'm done now and go birding but guess what...next week it's raining haha.

And they've should have built the tripod attachment on the Regal m2 more to the back...it's backheavy however you fix it. Not to mention the way too tight ready-case... But all complaining aside; the ergonomics, build and optics are truly fantastic!

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