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Gull ID - Herring or Caspian

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Old Saturday 6th June 2020, 11:40   #1
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Gull ID - Herring or Caspian

Hi, could anyone please give me a bit of help on this 1/2 winter gull on the Thames this week. I think it's probably Herring, but I thought the bill a bit long and the bird pale(ish) which made me wonder if a small chance of Caspian!

Grateful for any help and pic is of course only from a phone and at distance so not great, especially when reduced in size!
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Old Saturday 6th June 2020, 12:02   #2
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OK - I am very new at this - so am probably wrong, but need to practice, especially in Lockdown. The real gull guys will probably say I am wrong - but hopefully will also say why!

I am going Caspian due to; paler head, dark tail and bigger contrast between the coverts and tertials!
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Herring Gull.
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Hi Steve - Could I ask - what did I get wrong?
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Julie, thank you for your reply and the same question to Steve from me!
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I think the overall feel of the bird is too heavy for Caspian, head and neck too thick set and body and legs too dumpy, compare with http://gull-research.org/cachinnans/2cy/2cyjune116.html and http://gull-research.org/cachinnans/2cy/2cyjune123.html
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Ah yes, there's a real difference with those two - cheers
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