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Old Thursday 25th August 2016, 18:39   #1
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South Africa, Kruger, August

Hey guys,

Is this a Gabar or Dark Chanting juvenile Goshawk ?

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Old Thursday 25th August 2016, 20:10   #2
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Sub adult Pale Chanting Goshawk I'd say?

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Old Thursday 25th August 2016, 21:48   #3
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Yes, I'd go along with sub-adult Pale Chanting Goshawk..Gabar Goshawk young normally have a much paler chest with streaks at top and bars lower down , and African Goshawk is whiter still on the front plus it has yellow legs and grey cere (the bit that's red at the base of the bill on this bird) at all ages
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Old Thursday 25th August 2016, 22:19   #4
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Sub adult Pale Chanting Goshawk I'd say?

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don't think it occurs in Kruger
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don't think it occurs in Kruger
Looking more closely, seems to lack the feathering at the top of the legs too, maybe it is Gabar?

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worn juvenile Dark Chamting-goshawk
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worn juvenile Dark Chamting-goshawk
Leg colour is wrong for a juv Tom? Why can't we see upper leg feathering?


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Leg colour is wrong for a juv Tom? Why can't we see upper leg feathering?


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By worn juvenile I mean full juvenile plumage without moult but several months old, so leg colour turns to red already, immature is correct too.
I do not understand the problem of leg feathering Gabar and Dark-chanting have unfeathered tarsi and feathered tibia invisible here
In Gabar I would expect obvious white margin on secondaries even in worn juveniles. Size is a clue here, Gabar being much smaller (difficult here but easy in the field)

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Old Friday 26th August 2016, 14:47   #9
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Thanks all, I'll go with Dark Chanting Goshawk.
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