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Old Friday 10th February 2017, 01:39   #1
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So....I've been trying to contact Zen-Ray...

I've been trying to get thru to them I really have...

So earlier in the week I tried all forms of communication that I know to reach someone at Zen-Ray concerning the ED2 7X36. This is what I've TRIED:

1. Web-site -"CONTACT US." On-line form you fill out. Gave my email, address, and cell number...
2. Charles's Zen-Ray email address.. Gave same info..
3. [email protected]. Gave same info...

Don't know of a phone number or I'd call too.

I have heard zero, zilch, nada from them.

Really I'd be find with one that had a better focus... At this point I'm thinking about just boxing it up and returning the binocular for refund and see what happens....
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Old Friday 10th February 2017, 07:11   #2
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Chuck ..... Try (503) 360-5352

That is the number shown in item number 5 on the page for this link.

https://www.zen-ray.com/shop/ordering_information/
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Thanks Bruce....

I actually got an email from Charles this evening. I'll be sending the ED2 in for evaluation.
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Chuck ..... Good to know you have been in contact with Charles and are sending the 7X36 back for a possible exchange. There is no point in hanging on to a binocular that is not right. To bad that happens, but to my immediate recollection, Nikon and Canon are the only brands my brother and I have not sent back for exchange, repair or refund or fixed myself. That includes Swaro, Zeiss and Leica.
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Old Saturday 11th February 2017, 15:32   #5
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I've been trying to get thru to them I really have...

So earlier in the week I tried all forms of communication that I know to reach someone at Zen-Ray concerning the ED2 7X36. This is what I've TRIED:

1. Web-site -"CONTACT US." On-line form you fill out. Gave my email, address, and cell number...
2. Charles's Zen-Ray email address.. Gave same info..
3. [email protected]. Gave same info...

Don't know of a phone number or I'd call too.

I have heard zero, zilch, nada from them.

Really I'd be find with one that had a better focus... At this point I'm thinking about just boxing it up and returning the binocular for refund and see what happens....
Chuck, I just caught up my email last night after my business trip and communicated to you. Then I found your post after being alerted by a member here. I am so sorry to hear the issue with your 7x36 ED2. It does not sound normal for a binocular in that caliber. Please follow up my email to send the binoculars back to us. In the meantime, I will inspect the next unit before it gets sent to you on Monday.

Have a good weekend

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Old Sunday 12th February 2017, 03:42   #6
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Chuck, I just caught up my email last night after my business trip and communicated to you. Then I found your post after being alerted by a member here. I am so sorry to hear the issue with your 7x36 ED2. It does not sound normal for a binocular in that caliber. Please follow up my email to send the binoculars back to us. In the meantime, I will inspect the next unit before it gets sent to you on Monday.

Have a good weekend

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Thanks, Charles! Perfect.. I'll send it you to pronto!
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Thanks, Charles! Perfect.. I'll send it you to pronto!
Chuck, what was the result of this? I have one of these Binos and it also has slack in the focus and was wondering what the outcome of your problem was.

Looking inside it seems to be coming from a loose screw on the focuser assembly.

On one side the screw is backed out and when you move the focus wheel you can see the screw moving back and forth with the same amount of slack as the focus wheel. Could it the same problem with all the other folks bins that are saying they have slack in the focus wheel?
Will try to post pics later so others can look at there's and see if it is a common problem or just something with mine.
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Chuck, what was the result of this? I have one of these Binos and it also has slack in the focus and was wondering what the outcome of your problem was.

Looking inside it seems to be coming from a loose screw on the focuser assembly.

On one side the screw is backed out and when you move the focus wheel you can see the screw moving back and forth with the same amount of slack as the focus wheel. Could it the same problem with all the other folks bins that are saying they have slack in the focus wheel?
Will try to post pics later so others can look at there's and see if it is a common problem or just something with mine.
I returned the binoculars in question. I got binoculars back in pretty short order. I don't know if these are the same ED2 binoculars or not. I saw no serial number to write down. No further correspondence with Zen Ray to indicate what was/wasn't done.

Sack/slop is still there but somewhat less....prob 40-50% less.
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Thanks for the reply Chuck, finally got around to taking pics of what I think is causing the slack in my pair.

Can I ask how what email you used?
The email listed on the website keeps getting bumped back as 'undeliverable' so I have not been able to contact ZenRay to see if they can fix mine. But considering you received a pair that still has play in the focus after being hand checked doesn't sound very promising.

The photo on the left shows one side with the screw all the way tightened down.
The photo on the right shows the other side with the screw apparently backed out. This side wiggles and moves with the slack in the focus wheel.
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Thanks for the reply Chuck, finally got around to taking pics of what I think is causing the slack in my pair.

Can I ask how what email you used?
The email listed on the website keeps getting bumped back as 'undeliverable' so I have not been able to contact ZenRay to see if they can fix mine. But considering you received a pair that still has play in the focus after being hand checked doesn't sound very promising.

The photo on the left shows one side with the screw all the way tightened down.
The photo on the right shows the other side with the screw apparently backed out. This side wiggles and moves with the slack in the focus wheel.
I actually got a reply using the email above...
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Thanks for the reply Chuck, finally got around to taking pics of what I think is causing the slack in my pair.

Can I ask how what email you used?
The email listed on the website keeps getting bumped back as 'undeliverable' so I have not been able to contact ZenRay to see if they can fix mine. But considering you received a pair that still has play in the focus after being hand checked doesn't sound very promising.

The photo on the left shows one side with the screw all the way tightened down.
The photo on the right shows the other side with the screw apparently backed out. This side wiggles and moves with the slack in the focus wheel.
It would be great if tightening that screw was all that was required to fix the focus mechanism slack. Not a home job unfortunately as the bins need to be pressurized with Nitrogen.

Let us know how you get on having this addressed, and if there's improvement, and to what level, and effect on focusing wheel tension, focus 'snap' etc.


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It would be great if tightening that screw was all that was required to fix the focus mechanism slack. Not a home job unfortunately as the bins need to be pressurized with Nitrogen.

Let us know how you get on having this addressed, and if there's improvement, and to what level, and effect on focusing wheel tension, focus 'snap' etc.


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Although it goes against the popular wisdom, noble or inert gasses such as nitrogen are not used to “pressurize” binoculars. There is indeed a light pressure. But, the gas is there to provide a negative growth environment for fungus and what Aristotle called “Bad juju cooties.”
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Sack/slop is still there but somewhat less....prob 40-50% less.
FWIW the only binoculars I've ever had/used without slack/slop/roughness are the Nikon EDG, Zeiss FL, and Kowa Genesis. Everything else, including Swarovision and original EL WB, Ultravid HD, Victory HT, etc. have had some degree of roughness/slack/slop. It is infuriating that manufacturers can't seem to get one of the main points of contact to work in a way that justifies the price. The higher priced options are superior and more reliable, but still annoying relative to their price points...
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FWIW the only binoculars I've ever had/used without slack/slop/roughness are the Nikon EDG, Zeiss FL, and Kowa Genesis. Everything else, including Swarovision and original EL WB, Ultravid HD, Victory HT, etc. have had some degree of roughness/slack/slop. It is infuriating that manufacturers can't seem to get one of the main points of contact to work in a way that justifies the price. The higher priced options are superior and more reliable, but still annoying relative to their price points...
Most binoculars I have have really nice, slop-free focus adjustments. From a $130 Eagle Optics Denali 8X42(nice binoculars BTW), every Vortex Viper HD/Razor HD, every Zeiss FL/SF, every SV, every current SLC, every Leica, and several in between. HUGE difference between the EO Denali and this Zen-Ray.
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Most binoculars I have have really nice, slop-free focus adjustments. From a $130 Eagle Optics Denali 8X42(nice binoculars BTW), every Vortex Viper HD/Razor HD, every Zeiss FL/SF, every SV, every current SLC, every Leica, and several in between. HUGE difference between the EO Denali and this Zen-Ray.
Chuck:

I ran across this quote and I think it holds true here.

"You can't fake quality any more than you can fake a good meal".
W. S. Borroughs.

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Most binoculars I have have really nice, slop-free focus adjustments. From a $130 Eagle Optics Denali 8X42(nice binoculars BTW), every Vortex Viper HD/Razor HD, every Zeiss FL/SF, every SV, every current SLC, every Leica, and several in between. HUGE difference between the EO Denali and this Zen-Ray.
Interesting. I guess it shows that every brand can be prone to poor quality control.
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Chuck:

I ran across this quote and I think it holds true here.

"You can't fake quality any more than you can fake a good meal".
W. S. Borroughs.

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Ah, but some consider mac&cheese fine dining.
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Ah, but some consider mac&cheese fine dining.
Have you ever had "Alpha" mac & cheese? Fine dinning at its best "Wow" factor is off the charts. Seriously you can really spend a small fortune making a gourmet m&c.

A small update: I was able to reach "Charles" at ZR using his direct email he told me "please send it back to us so I can pick a pair for you."

I sent the bins back on Sat.(3/10) and they where delivered yesterday(3/13) I sent another email informing about there delivery(no reply yet). That's where I'm at now, I hope to have replacements by the end of the week.
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You can not create a good meal by overcharging for a lousy one either. The worst restaurant meal I ever had was from a very expensive, highly regarded place in San Francisco. Mac & Cheese would have been an improvement.
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Have you ever had "Alpha" mac & cheese? Fine dinning at its best "Wow" factor is off the charts.
There speaks someone driven to a state of near-madness by Seattle's incessant rain.

We should all send him our condolences and give thanks that we don't have to suffer in the same way.

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You can not create a good meal by overcharging for a lousy one either. The worst restaurant meal I ever had was from a very expensive, highly regarded place in San Francisco. Mac & Cheese would have been an improvement.
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I suspect you are a "meat and potatoes", type of guy.....!

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I suspect you are a "meat and potatoes", type of guy.....!

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I've been known to consume meat and potatoes . However they can be screwed up as can anything. I am not a frequenter of expensive eating establishments, but I have been to a fair number. In my experience the quality of the meal depends mostly on the goals of the establishment and how well those line up with the expectations of the customer. Some are just expensive. Some are both expensive as well as a couple of levels above good.

On the other hand, there was this little non descript looking Mexican place in Abielene, Texas. Not expensive, lots of food and the best Mexican I've ever had in my life.
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Drifting off topic here but I will risk posting that I have been lucky enough to have had great food from Stockholm and Lochmaddy in the north to as far south as Durban but the most reliably great food at great prices has been at small hotels in France. Never had a bad meal at any of them.

Getting back to Chuck's point I don't think there has been a single model of which I haven't tried more than one example with a focus-action issue.

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I've been known to consume meat and potatoes . However they can be screwed up as can anything. I am not a frequenter of expensive eating establishments, but I have been to a fair number. In my experience the quality of the meal depends mostly on the goals of the establishment and how well those line up with the expectations of the customer. Some are just expensive. Some are both expensive as well as a couple of levels above good.

On the other hand, there was this little non descript looking Mexican place in Abielene, Texas. Not expensive, lots of food and the best Mexican I've ever had in my life.
Just so, really good food takes dedication, which is more often found in small ethnic places. Local kids are a key indicator imho, if they are present along with their parents, it suggests eating at the place is considered a treat.
That said, few birders in my experience are gourmets, so our opinions here may simply provide another illustration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
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There speaks someone driven to a state of near-madness by Seattle's incessant rain.

We should all send him our condolences and give thanks that we don't have to suffer in the same way.

Lee
I'll just leave this here.......

https://youtu.be/yoINOifaV3E

BTW, its a beautiful day out today, sunny with clear blue skies........
At least for right now anyway, might be different in a few hours
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