Sparrows expert needed, in Europe Tree, House, Spanish? (1 Viewer)

Deb335077

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• Nov 3, 2011

• #1

Please help, I am having great difficulty seeing the difference with Spanish sparrows and are Italian sparrows the same as Spanish other than location and please help clarify these
1 taken in Slovenia
2 taken in Slovenia
3 taken in Montenegro
4 taken in Venice, Italy
5 taken in Venice, Italy

thanks for any help given
Debbie

 

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Deb335077

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• Nov 3, 2011

• #2

2 more

6 taken in Slpit, Croatia
7 taken in Corfu, Greece

thanks again for any help

 

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SJC

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• Nov 3, 2011

• #3

Not an expert on sparrows but the first three look like House Sparrows and the other two look like Italian

 

nickderry

C'est pas ma faute, je suis anglais.

• Nov 3, 2011

• #4

your Venetian birds are italian, all the rest are house

 

dalat

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• Nov 3, 2011

• #5

Hi, by no means a sparrow expert, but I think that Nr. 5 is a clear Italien sparrow (brown cap, white cheeks), the rest are House sparrows. Nr. 4 I am not sure, a juv. bird perhaps (the left bird is a female, which look the same for all species).

 

John Cantelo

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• Nov 3, 2011

• #6

The fifth bird in the series is an adult male Italian Sparrow - both it and Spanish Sparrow have chestnut brown crowns, but Spanish has more extensive dark chest/flank markings. The other males all have grey crowns so are House Sparrow. Female type House/Italian/Spanish Sparrows are doubtfully distinguishable in the field (although various features are claimed to be indicative of female Spanish). I'm not aware of any criteria to seperate female Italian Sparrow on plumage/structure. However, they should be Italian on range, but, given the location, I doubt that you can absolutely rule out the possibility of the odd House Sparrow turning up,

 

Deb335077

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• Nov 3, 2011

• #7

thanks all for your help
Debbie