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Old Wednesday 30th May 2012, 07:19   #1
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A few more from South Wales

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struggling with these two. Would anyone be able to offer an ID?


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Old Wednesday 30th May 2012, 12:36   #2
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Rustic Shoulder-knot and Shears.
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I'm not confident on either.

I wonder about Glaucous Shears for the second moth:-

http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=968

I also struggle to see the streak at the base of the forewing to mean that I am confident on Rustic Shoulderknot. On balance, I think that I can just see it on the right wing but I would like to see another clearer photo showing it and I'd like to see it on both wings. I simply flag up Large Nutmeg as a potential confusion species:-

http://www.essexfieldclub.org.uk/por...ing+comparison

Not an easy one for me on either.

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I'm with Sean on both.
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Old Wednesday 30th May 2012, 16:45   #5
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I'm with Sean on both.
I'll have a look with a different monitor to lose the greyish caste on the first moth!! However, having checked against Glaucous Shears, I'm happy with the first now as Shears:-

http://cafebirdermoths.blogspot.co.u...ston-moor.html

Brian - can you see the streak at the base of the forewing on the first moth to be confident of the identification? I have found it an invariable feature of Rustic Shoulderknot in the past and I really struggle to see it in the photo. It most resembles Rustic Shoulderknot but I worry about the apparent lack of 'the feature'.

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The dark trailing half of the reniform is a good feature I think.

The basal streak could be there, just a bit obscured in this photo. I understand Large Nutmeg can show this and rsk's can be somewhat reduced.
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Old Wednesday 30th May 2012, 23:47   #7
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thanks for the ID and discussion. Shears is a new one for me.


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