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Living Rocks · Jul 18, 2016

Ghostly Vision said:
Blimey John, you're back!! Was only talking about you the other day, finding the Derbyshire Burnts on account of a photographer kneeling over something on the distant hillside!

Hi Sean, Thought it was about time I showed my face here again!! Yep! That was a good day in Derbyshire, a combination of matching the background on an online photo of a Derbyshire burnt with the aerial view on google earth, then heading out to see if it worked in the field. The first thing I spotted was a man in the far distance with a tripod photographing something on the ground; I shot up that hill in no time... & there they were! Cheers, John

toby · Jul 19, 2016

Bog Orchid Dorset/New Forest RFI

I hope this is ok to ask on here, but I’m in Dorset for a couple of days at the end of the month and I’ve never seen Bog Orchid. Assuming they will still be in flower when I go (maybe not?), does anyone have any reliable sites with detailed directions as to where to find them. If not in Dorset then maybe the New Forest so I could try on the way to/from Dorset? Please PM me any details. Thanks, Toby

ionh · Jul 19, 2016

North:South divide

dhpbwd said:
Hoping to get up to the North-East next weekend. Would anyone please be able to supply information on Tyne and Young's Helleborine?

Just got back..."Youngs" BLH still have a way to go, they won't be out this w/end. "Tyne" DH in fine fettle, attached pic from yesterday is of two stems 62 cm tall! (Dinky E. sancta at the other extreme...)

Ladle Hill on Saturday: Burnt's good, pyramidal starting to go over, chalk fragrant & CSO on their very last legs...but...

Bishop Middleham today, CSO, Bee(!), common twayblade all looking very good; (marsh) fragrants in bud or just coming out.

ian

p.s. anyone checked the Norfolk CLT recently?

MarkHows · Jul 20, 2016

CLT - Loch Garten just coming into flower on Saturday
Young's in North East England - Still in tight bud yesterday

Mark

CornishExile · Jul 20, 2016

Re helleborines, a northern England update...

The first 'youngiana' were coming into flower last Saturday in the north-east, though most still in bud.
'tynensis' further ahead, but still many in bud too.

Lindisfarne Helleborines were looking good, but already getting a little frazzled in the sun.
Marsh Helleborines in their prime in north-east; a little more frazzled on the north-west coast.
Dark-red Helleborines in north-east looking really good; heading west, x.schmalhausenii also, though on the whole they're further ahead than the pure E.rubra in the east.
Dune Helleborines (woodland and open dune) both in full flower on north-west coast, but those in the open going over quickly in the sun
Green-flowered Helleborines were fairly hard to come by on north-west coast - again, those in the open suffering in the sun but those in more shade still in good condition

Gradually working through some of my images - posting one or two as I go on Twitter if anyone's interested @dunnjons

Cheers,

J

Ghostly Vision · Jul 20, 2016

Living Rocks said:
Hi Sean, Thought it was about time I showed my face here again!! Yep! That was a good day in Derbyshire, a combination of matching the background on an online photo of a Derbyshire burnt with the aerial view on google earth, then heading out to see if it worked in the field. The first thing I spotted was a man in the far distance with a tripod photographing something on the ground; I shot up that hill in no time... & there they were! Cheers, John

Yes, that was me if you remember!

JCL · Jul 20, 2016

ionh said:
p.s. anyone checked the Norfolk CLT recently?

I checked some of them last night. 25 in 2 groups roped off. Still got a week (?) to go. Bottom flowers open but no more.

re Young's, didn't I see Jon Dunn tweet a photo of an open flower?

CornishExile · Jul 20, 2016

JCL said:
I checked some of them last night. 25 in 2 groups roped off. Still got a week (?) to go. Bottom flowers open but no more.

re Young's, didn't I see Jon Dunn tweet a photo of an open flower?

You did indeed! As per my post earlier this morning... I'd have added the photo here too but either Birdforum or my local IT imps aren't allowing me to.

Unless some disaster (like a lawnmower or strimmer, as they were right at the edge of a mowed area) has befallen those three flowering plants from Saturday they'd be a fair bit further down the line by today. They were in the sunniest part of the site in question, to be fair, and others were still a piece behind them re flowering time.

J

muba · Jul 20, 2016

leptochila said:
These are at Ladle Hill in North Hampshire.

Mike

Mission successful

brianhodgkin · Jul 20, 2016

J did one of you loose a lens cap at Lindisfarne on Saturday? If so I have it and could send to you if you let me know your address.
Brian H

Living Rocks · Jul 20, 2016

Ghostly Vision said:
Yes, that was me if you remember!

I remember very well, it was amazing how many more species I found shortly after that day!! Thank you very much for all the spot on info!!

Could have done with meeting you up a hill in Derbyshire again today! I did a similar thing to the Burnts with the Dark Reds, worked out where I thought they might grow, then went to look, I succeeded, but it took me over 2 hours to find a flowering plant, in total I found only about 6 plants, but I stuck to looking from the path as the habitat is very fragile. Cheers, John

Living Rocks · Jul 21, 2016

Derbyshire Dark Red Helleborines

There were very few plants at the site I visited today, this was the only flowering plant that I found, the others were either nibbled off or immature. The habitat is very fragile & for anyone just wanting to see the species I would suggest heading further north into Lancashire or County Durham where the plants are far more prolific & put on a much more spectacular display.

ionh · Jul 21, 2016

Living Rocks said:
...County Durham where the plants are far more prolific & put on a much more spectacular display.

Yep, Durham plants looking good, less rabbit ravaging than last year. And another (non-Wiltshire!) burnt group

ian

Ghostly Vision · Jul 21, 2016

JCL said:
I checked some of them last night. 25 in 2 groups roped off. Still got a week (?) to go. Bottom flowers open but no more.

re Young's, didn't I see Jon Dunn tweet a photo of an open flower?

There is a report on the UK Native Orchids group on FB of 500+ spikes found this weekend. :eek!::eek!:

Ghostly Vision · Jul 21, 2016

Living Rocks said:
There were very few plants at the site I visited today, this was the only flowering plant that I found, the others were either nibbled off or immature. The habitat is very fragile & for anyone just wanting to see the species I would suggest heading further north into Lancashire or County Durham where the plants are far more prolific & put on a much more spectacular display.

Well said John.

Not sure which of the hillsides you went to but the main one had a plant right by the footpath a few days ago, and about 20 plants total.

Ghostly Vision · Jul 21, 2016

Finally got round to editing my photo's of the Warwickshire Helleborines, taken on 12th July.

Went back this Tuesday and the heat has ruined most of the flowers on the plants that haven't been nibbled off.

Most or al of the plants at the site are cross-pollinated, but they do look a lot like Dune Helleborine. But even more like the "youngiana" plants at Kenfig

Simon1953 · Jul 22, 2016

muba said:
Mission successful

Re Ladle Hill, I've not had a chance to get up there yet this year (just back from Iceland where we found all 5 native orchids - including Lesser Twayblades almost on the roadside).

I did a pretty thorough search for BTOs on Ladle Hill in 14 July 2015 after the apparent disaster of 2014 and found 88 plants

I also found a 4 minute Frogs on the NW slope.

How are the numbers for BTOs looking this year?

Simon

Ghostly Vision · Jul 22, 2016

Hi Simon

We wouldn't normally post such detailed locations on a public group. More general is best.

FYI everyone else, I am not opening up the site disclosure discussion, please let's not start that one.

Simon1953 · Jul 22, 2016

muba said:
Happy to take my post down and rephrase anyone thinks its best

I've just edited my original post!! Oops, sorry, it was a sloppy 'cut and paste' from the email I'd sent our County BSBI recorder last year.

Simon1953 · Jul 22, 2016

Thanks Steve,

I think it calls for a trip up the hill to see if I can refind my last years BTOs as well as yours which seem to be in a largely new area. There's usually some on the rampart banks at the SW corner of the fort. Maybe this afternoon if it's not too hot...

Simon

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