• Welcome to BirdForum, the internet's largest birding community with thousands of members from all over the world. The forums are dedicated to wild birds, birding, binoculars and equipment and all that goes with it.

    Please register for an account to take part in the discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.
ZEISS DTI thermal imaging cameras. For more discoveries at night, and during the day.

Minimising identification errors (1 Viewer)

John Cantelo

Well-known member
Minimising identification errors

The thread I kicked off on the most commonly misidentified bird raised some interesting points and caused me to ponder the causes of misidentification. Since this is a slightly different approach I have started a new thread. I start form the viewpoint that, even if you're a birding genius (and I'm certainly not!), you will make mistakes at times. Awareness of the reasons why errors occur should help minimise them so have listed below the essential problems and have tried to suggest some possible remedies.

a) Lack of experience/knowledge This is blindingly obvious one I know Remedy: Get in as much field experience as possible, read the field guides, watch video footage, etc. I know it's not always possible to do so, but try to put in some 'homework' by reading up on the birds before you go out. Concentrate on the difficult 'species groups'. Better still try to go out with more experienced birders from whom you can learn. If it's a case of the blind leading the blind try playing "What's that bird?" - read one another field guide descriptions (the old Peterson was ideal for this) and see how quickly you can guess the bird. (You might have to omit the odd word, but as a kid on long tedious train journeys to Portland this certainly sharpened up my knowledge of bird ID). I'm reminded of this simple fact I bird somewhere (in my case USA, say) where I'm not as comfortable with the birdlife as I am in the UK. Also try to draw birds, however roughly, and get to grips with basic bird topography which gives you a framework on which to 'hang' your observations.
b) Poor views. Another from the school of the bloomin' obvious. Birds can be frustratingly elusive and optics can get misted up, rain coated etc Remedy: Get better views & keep your optics smudge free! Naff views are part of birding, but you can use damage limitation strategies. Getting it 'wrong' saps confidence and ruins reputations, so be more circumspect when "calling" a bird - - think "odd phylosc" rather than "Greenish" [see also points e) & f) below].
c) Pressure to identify birds I'm sure that I make more mistakes when I'm under some kind of pressure - and I'm sure others do too. This might be on a bird race or when birding with a particularly competitive friend or with someone who's keen to see a particular species. Remedy: Develop a more zen like attitude and don't feel that you have to identify everything. If you're not the first to find and identify a bird it isn't the end of the world - "He didn't spot the Barred Warbler first" won't be engraved on your tombstone!
d) Over reliance on a single feature Y W What might be called the 'if it’s a wader with red legs it must be a Redshank' school of birdwatching. With so many confusing field markers it's natural to latch onto the one apparently obvious clincher - its often what grabs your attention in the first place - but remember to look for other features too. Remedy: Develop a broader understanding of the whole range of identification features. If you do see those red legs think what else it might be and check list features that support or deny your ID. Just keep looking at the whole bird!
e) Preconceived ideas b Many birders have what might be termed the 'British school of justice mentality', that is once they've decided on what a bird is no amount on contrary evidence seems to shake their faith. For example, some birders I once tried to a non-breeding plumage Pacific Golden Plover adamantly refused to "see" the many pointers I alluded to since they had been told (wrongly) it was a full summer plumage bird. There's also the "It's October, there's an easterly and I'm in Norfolk syndrome" which inclines one to suspect a rarity on the thinnest of evidence. The ultimate in this context is the 'mass hallucination' scenario where folks "see" what their expectations induce them to see. Remedy: Try to come to every bird with an open mind. Look at the bird systematically and have the confidence to think or say "Why hasn't it got ……?" or, if you're more cautious, "I can't seem to make out …….." Ask yourself "Why it isn't the commoner alternative?" before rushing off to tell everyone of your find.
f) Lack of field skills Some birders find themselves in a position to misidentify due what appears simple due to a lack of field skills. For example, they 'work' bushes against the light (sometimes inevitable, I know) when a little more thought could have allowed them to do so with the light behind them. Remedy: Go out with more experienced birder to learn a few 'field skills'. Learn to birdwatch 'proactively' by looking further ahead as you stalk through bushes, be more patient and let the bird come to you, appreciate the angle of the sun, areas in the lee of the wind, etc.
g) Poor Optics Heavy fatigue inducing binoculars, optics scarcely better than a couple of milk bottles, etc. can make it hard to make out details. Although I don't think that this is such a crucial problem these days with relatively cheap good quality binoculars and good spotting scopes. Remedy: The easiest problem to resolve …. given the money! If you don't have the dosh then look out for good reconditioned second hand 'quality bins' from reputable specialist firms

Do I always adhere to the above points? Of course I don't! My feet are clay just like everyone else's, but I do try to keep such points in mind and act accordingly,
John
 
don't run before you can walk
get in the field a lot
read read read
use a notebook
travel - see birds in different plumages, situations, places etc..
use fieldcraft
don't rely on scopes too heavily
dont take it too seriously
have another interest
 
I tend to adopt a slight variant... which goes like this.. go out expecting to see something rare.. there is something about the human brain that is able to pick on things that is aware of... think how many times you notice cars the same as your new one.. that sailed past you the day before it became large in your mind... this is the secret to finding stuff...

However once you think you have something.. be ruthlessly critical about ruling it out.. first look for contradictory features not supporting ones.. they come once you have failed to rule out the species you are trying for.
 
Jasonbirder said:
??? Surely the better the view - the better the id?

Yeah, that's the one I couldn't work out...but finding myself only disagreeing with 10% of one of Tim's proclamations, I decided to let it go ;)
 
Forget my typically overblown posting, Tim's said it all far more pithily and succinctly. I'd take the comment re telescopes as a warning against the temptation to ID everything including the smallest of dots on the most distant horizon, John
 
Hi. Can I add an "h" to your list?
Seeing a bird completely out of context.Two personal examples were seeing a Purple Sandpiper feeding on a vast expanse of mud at Titchwell with dunlin and curlew sandpipers, and seeing a late season sedge warbler feeding high up in a tree with mixed tits and willow warblers. These are both birds I am fairly familiar with, but it was
a good job someone correctly identified the former as there are an awful lot of non-European waders that I am not familiar with that it might have been. It was only when I went through my bird books at home when I realised rather foolishly what the sedge warbler was.
 
Jasonbirder said:
??? Surely the better the view - the better the id?

u know my views on this JB!

there are loads of birders now who think birding IS pointing a scope at something and couldn't find a bird for toffee themselves. Of course they are useful but not as a first resort. I see people every weekend who can't use their bins properly becuase they're carrying a scope. :eek!:

and John's point about identifying everything is an excellent one
 
There is also something about being able to determine structure and jizz more accurately thought a wide filed of view in bins... getting used to that and "resorting" to a scope when looking for fine detail. I'm a big one for seawatching with bins... with a scope to hand!
 
I sometimes feel that there is too much pressure when birding with others (often very experienced birders) to be sure you are correct with your first utterance on a birds ID.

For example on seeing a distant small raptor briefly thru bins - in my mind I tend to immediately guess an ID and then work through it until proven or it metamorphoses (is that a word? - not a teacher!!) into something else - this is not to say I would claim it as such though. Now if when with others you make the mistake of running through the process verbally you run the risk of being labelled hopeless (which in my case may not be entirely inaccurate but is a little harsh) especially with the levels of usually enjoyable bitchiness that exists in most birding "circles".

When birding with a excellent local birder the other day I did just this and felt a bit mortified (not that he's the sort to immediately phone around the county saying what a duffer I was) but was totally relieved when he made a simialr small error right after (I did ask him if he was trying to relieve my discomfort!).

It also encourages silence about birds you are not sure of - I'm sure a lot of us have kept silent at a seawatch when seeing something interesting fly by assuming the others have all sen it and dismissed it as nothing important!

Perhaps there should be less importance on getting it right first time - gettin git right in the end is all that counts!!
 
Tim Allwood said:
u know my views on this JB!

there are loads of birders now who think birding IS pointing a scope at something and couldn't find a bird for toffee themselves. Of course they are useful but not as a first resort. I see people every weekend who can't use their bins properly becuase they're carrying a scope. :eek!:

and John's point about identifying everything is an excellent one

Spot on. I've also learned to use my bins much less than I used to..... you spot much more by constantly scanning with the naked eye THEN putting your bins up when you see something. I usually only use the scope to get a better view of something I've already found. Sit staring down a scope and you instantly become blind to 99% of whats happening around you.
And it works......last week standing busily scanning flocks of gulls and waders at Spey Bay luckily I glanced over to see a bunting land on a nearby bush. Picking up my bins it was a cracking male Yellow-Breasted !!! and it was gone in 30 seconds never to be seen again.
Had I been busily scoping half a mile away I'd have been none the wiser and missed this sixth ever Scottish mainland record.
 
jpoyner said:
Spot on. I've also learned to use my bins much less than I used to..... you spot much more by constantly scanning with the naked eye ...

With my eyesight, I've found this works quite well for Flamingo and Great White Egret ... ;)
 
In my darker moments I sometimes think that all birders ought to go through an aprenticeship period of a year or two without having optics at all, including binoculars. I was interested in birds from the age of 5, but Dad - not me - only got some binoculars when I was about 12. There's nothing like not having any bins at all for sharpening up your fieldcraft. In fact I think I could do with leaving 'em at home now and again to remember what I've forgotten in terms of field skills! John
 
Nah - lack of a scope leads to Birders who feel the need to creep closer and closer to the bird....
I was at the Melodious Warbler in Cornwall on Saturday - because the bird was in a fenced off field with no access we were able to sit back and enjoy great scope views as the bird hopped around, coming in and out of view - if there had been access you can bet your bottom dollar that people without the patience to find a small mobile bird in the vegatation, through their scope would have felt the need to sit right underneath it leading to very brief disturbed views of the bird!

I know this goes against everything that people are saying...but hey! Sit back, scope it out and enjoy - because people couldn`t use their "field skills" we could see the tail feather pattern, leg colour, spacing of the primaries etc etc it was a joy - I`m sure we could have ID`d it on jizz if people had parked up under it and flushed it from bush to bush but it wouldn`t have been as enjoyable!
 
more to birding than watching a bird someone has already found though. ;)

you won't FIND many birds peering thru a scope like that. Anyway, I reckon I could getter better views thru my bins than most people whjo stand watching rares like that with a Swarovski 80 mm on max zoom purely thru fieldcraft......almost ;)

.....fire away.... :eek!:
 
Hi Tim,
I will point out that sometimes it is best to use a scope to find seabirds or waders, but certainly bins are usually better for passerines...unless one picks up the likes of a Citrine Wagtail on a cursory scan of the fringes of a wetland.
However, knowing that species, one would be perhaps most likely to find it on call, which leads me on to another point: always follow up any odd calls, and make an effort to build up one's experience of the vocalisations of as many species as possible.
I once mentioned my frustrations at not being able to remember the calls of some species (for example, while both Great and Blue Tits have distinctive calls, they also have some that are similar to those of the other species!) to a very experienced birder: he replied by saying that the main thing was that I was listening for calls in the first place....
Harry
 
as my old Chinese guru used to say "be sure you know what it is'nt,before you believe what it is".

Pop
 
Right...
The scope is on ebay, spent a fortune at the Army surplus,
have stamped on me specs...and I've sent the home secretary a text,
asking him to come birding with me at the weekend.
We are gonna turn up some good stuff now...
If I can only find the car keys...;)

Dave.
 
I think it must be Tim who keeps phoning in those Sanderling at the back of the North Scrape at Cley as Baird's ....

Sean
 
Warning! This thread is more than 20 years ago old.
It's likely that no further discussion is required, in which case we recommend starting a new thread. If however you feel your response is required you can still do so.

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top