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Old Sunday 25th August 2019, 19:04   #51
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I had a look through the 6.5 at Birdfair, and the ER was sufficient to give me full FOV with my eye glasses.

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Thanks for reply. I am looking forward to try it!
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Old Sunday 25th August 2019, 20:21   #52
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Does anybody know when the release date will be? I'd be interested in trying a pair as a lighter alternative to my 7x42's. I wonder if Kowa would loan me a pair for a prolonged field test in November...
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Does anybody know when the release date will be? I'd be interested in trying a pair as a lighter alternative to my 7x42's. I wonder if Kowa would loan me a pair for a prolonged field test in November...
Oct. 1st is what Kowa US told me, but maybe sooner for Europe (?)
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Old Sunday 25th August 2019, 23:55   #54
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The new Kowa BD II XD's will have a AFOV of 65 degrees which is great for a 6.5x but don't forget the Nikon 8x30 EII has an AFOV of 70.4 degrees and the Nikon 7x50 WX has an AFOV of 74.9 degrees. The Kowa will have the advantage of better DOF and ease of holding the lower magnification steady though. It should be an interesting binocular.

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The new Kowa BD II XD's will have a AFOV of 65 degrees which is great for a 6.5x but don't forget the Nikon 8x30 EII has an AFOV of 70.4 degrees and the Nikon 7x50 WX has an AFOV of 74.9 degrees. The Kowa will have the advantage of better DOF and ease of holding the lower magnification steady though. It should be an interesting binocular.
Yes, but the Nikon 8x30 has the drawback of much shorter eye relief and is not waterproof. And 7x50WX should not even be compared to: more than 10 times the price and it weighs 2,4kg! So it should not be considered as a free hand glass and is intended for tripod or at least monopod use.
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Old Monday 26th August 2019, 09:41   #56
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Yes, but the Nikon 8x30 has the drawback of much shorter eye relief and is not waterproof. And 7x50WX should not even be compared to: more than 10 times the price and it weighs 2,4kg! So it should not be considered as a free hand glass and is intended for tripod or at least monopod use.
I agree. A 10 degree 6.5x should be very wide field and expansive and immersive. For $300.00 I would certainly try one.
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May just be the cynic in me but I hope all the pre-release 'love' for the 6.5x32 doesn't influence or induce a change of pricing structure by Kowa so prospective purchasers get stung. The astronomical price of their 550 Prominar 'travel' scope hasn't really worked in their favour methinks.

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If only birdforum had that kind of pulling power! If anyone from Canon is reading this ... your 10x42L is a steaming pile of crap and prices need to come down NOW!!!!!

But I see no reason why the manufacturer of a highly regarded product shouldn't charge accordingly - if I were in that fortunate position, I'd certainly hope to be able to.

My brother was able to check this out at Birdfair - I'll add his observations to my next post in the Birdfair thread.
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Old Monday 26th August 2019, 22:01   #58
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If only birdforum had that kind of pulling power! If anyone from Canon is reading this ... your 10x42L is a steaming pile of crap and prices need to come down NOW!!!!!

But I see no reason why the manufacturer of a highly regarded product shouldn't charge accordingly - if I were in that fortunate position, I'd certainly hope to be able to.

My brother was able to check this out at Birdfair - I'll add his observations to my next post in the Birdfair thread.
And I wouldn't necessarily underestimate the reach of optics manufacturers. I would think Zeiss got fair wind that their SF eyecups were not 100% fit for purpose from the chatter on this forum! Their prime purpose - as you rightly state - is making money and not necessarily by keeping birders sweet by offering them bargains. If someone gives in and buys a hypothetical £3000 binocular and enthuses wildly about it, then it won't take the followers of fashion long to follow suit and £3000 becomes the new norm for the so-called 'best'. It happens every time.

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The 6.5x kowa have me excited with their 10 degrees field of view
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If only birdforum had that kind of pulling power! If anyone from Canon is reading this ... your 10x42L is a steaming pile of crap and prices need to come down NOW!!!!!

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That seems a pretty extreme stance, given that the Canon 10x42L is offered at
Amazon for $1200, versus $2700 for the Zeiss SF or the Swaro EL.
The Canon is heavy and lumpy, but imho, thanks to its stabilization feature, still the most capable birding glass available and a steal at the current price.
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OK, it’s September. Where are they?
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OK, it’s September. Where are they?
OK, HERE THEY ARE! GET YOUR PRE ORDERS IN! DON"T DISREGARD THE 8X32'S. THEY ARE 8.8 DEGREE"S AND 462 FEET FOV. SAME AS THE NIKON 8X30 E2! THE 6.5X32 HAS AN AFOV OF 65 DEGREE'S AND THE 8X32 HAS AN AFOV OF 70 DEGREE'S!
https://www.astroshop.eu/instruments...culars/p,63441
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OK, HERE THEY ARE! GET YOUR ORDERS IN! DON"T DISREGARD THE 8X32'S. THEY ARE 8.8 DEGREE"S AND 462 FEET FOV. SAME AS THE NIKON 8X30 E2! THE 6.5X32 HAS AN AFOV OF 65 DEGREE'S AND THE 8X32 HAS AN AFOV OF 70 DEGREE'S!
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Kowa USA rep Paul Kardos says retail will be $399 for 32mm and $449 for 42 mm. Release date of 10/1
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I had a look through the 6.5 at Birdfair, and the ER was sufficient to give me full FOV with my eye glasses.
Did you or anybody compare the 6.5x32 to the 8x32 BD II XDs? I was trying to decide which one to buy. Maybe buy them both and return the one you like least.
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Did you or anybody compare the 6.5x32 to the 8x32 BD II XDs? I was trying to decide which one to buy. Maybe buy them both and return the one you like least.
Dennis,

The most obvious difference I saw was the CA increased with magnification, and was rather higher than I might expect for a double ED design. However, you should keep in mind what I said elsewhere. Kowa have a bit of a habit of bringing pre-production samples to Birdfair and it's anybody's guess what the final product might look like.

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I think I will try the 6.5x32 even though I usually don't care for low power but these have a huge FOV and I already have the Swarovski SV 8x32's so there is no way the Kowa's in an 8x32 are going to compare with a $2K binocular even with the bigger FOV and they are not going to bring anything different to the table. 6.5x32 it is then. I don't think even a 10 degree 6.5x will WOW me but we will see. The most WOW binocular I have ever had is the Swarovski SV 12x50 which I still have and is my "Big Gun."

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I will be interested to know if the new Kowa BDII-XD series will actually have better optical performance than the old BD-XD Prominar series , or is it only an increase in the Field of View that sets the new series apart.

My wild guess is that Kowa have only changed the eye-pieces and kept the other optics and lenses from the old BD-XD series.

So the question is , if a person is satisfied with the field of view of the old BD-XD Prominar series will it be worth while to upgrade.

But the 6.5 x 32 does interest me .

I have an old series 8 x 42 BD-XD Prominar and I think that it is a very fine binocular.

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I will be interested to know if the new Kowa BDII-XD series will actually have better optical performance than the old BD-XD Prominar series , or is it only an increase in the Field of View that sets the new series apart.

My wild guess is that Kowa have only changed the eye-pieces and kept the other optics and lenses from the old BD-XD series.

So the question is , if a person is satisfied with the field of view of the old BD-XD Prominar series will it be worth while to upgrade.

But the 6.5 x 32 does interest me .

I have an old series 8 x 42 BD-XD Prominar and I think that it is a very fine binocular.

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It depends upon how much of a WA fanatic you are.
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OK, HERE THEY ARE! GET YOUR PRE ORDERS IN! DON"T DISREGARD THE 8X32'S. THEY ARE 8.8 DEGREE"S AND 462 FEET FOV. SAME AS THE NIKON 8X30 E2! THE 6.5X32 HAS AN AFOV OF 65 DEGREE'S AND THE 8X32 HAS AN AFOV OF 70 DEGREE'S!

I don't think even a 10 degree 6.5x will WOW me but we will see. The most WOW binocular I have ever had is the Swarovski SV 12x50 which I still have and is my "Big Gun."
I think we have a similar sense of wow. The 15x SLC does for me what the 12x EL does for you, which would have been my second choice. And on the other end, what a low mag bino needs to wow is a comparable AFOV, a proportional trade-off of magnification for real field, which almost never happens below 8x, and the 6.5x BD is no exception. (I'll be equally interested to hear about the new BD's construction. I keep being disappointed with that in this price range.)
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I think we have a similar sense of wow. The 15x SLC does for me what the 12x EL does for you, which would have been my second choice. And on the other end, what a low mag bino needs to wow is a comparable AFOV, a proportional trade-off of magnification for real field, which almost never happens below 8x, and the 6.5x BD is no exception. (I'll be equally interested to hear about the new BD's construction. I keep being disappointed with that in this price range.)
You and I agree. A 6.5x at 10 degrees is till only 65 degrees AFOV, whereas, the 8x at 8.8 degrees is 70.4 degrees AFOV so I bet the 8x will have more WOW factor. My SV 12x50's are 68.4 degrees AFOV using the simple method of calculation not the ISO. Your SLC 15x56 are 67.5 degrees AFOV. Still a 65 degree 6.5x is pretty good and it is going to have good DOF and be easy to hold steady but WOW factor I don't know. That is one thing that is nice about the BD it has a magnesium frame which is getting rare at the under $500.00 price point.. I will take a magnesium frame any day over polymer I don't care what the plastic nuts have to say.

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I will be interested to know if the new Kowa BDII-XD series will actually have better optical performance than the old BD-XD Prominar series , or is it only an increase in the Field of View that sets the new series apart.

My wild guess is that Kowa have only changed the eye-pieces and kept the other optics and lenses from the old BD-XD series.

So the question is , if a person is satisfied with the field of view of the old BD-XD Prominar series will it be worth while to upgrade.

But the 6.5 x 32 does interest me .

I have an old series 8 x 42 BD-XD Prominar and I think that it is a very fine binocular.

Cheers.
It is hard to say, but the exterior looks quite a bit more "upscale" to me, so that plus the wide angle viewing would be a fair improvement especially considering the lack of increase in price
Optically I thought the original BD XD was quite good, but with a narrow FOV.

All of the magnifictons look good on paper, but considering I've been using the 10x with Image Stabilization, the 6.5X seems a good complement.

Despite owning some variety of all the alpha models, I still think the 8.5x44 Genesis is my favorite - if only it had a wider field of view. It seems they will never update this model, unfortunately.
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It is hard to say, but the exterior looks quite a bit more "upscale" to me, so that plus the wide angle viewing would be a fair improvement especially considering the lack of increase in price
Optically I thought the original BD XD was quite good, but with a narrow FOV.

All of the magnifictons look good on paper, but considering I've been using the 10x with Image Stabilization, the 6.5X seems a good complement.

Despite owning some variety of all the alpha models, I still think the 8.5x44 Genesis is my favorite - if only it had a wider field of view. It seems they will never update this model, unfortunately.
Kowa rep told me new Genesis are in the works and will go to a double bridge design.
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Had another chat with Kowa rep this morning. Among other things he said the new Genesis models have been put on the back burner and are probably another year away.
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I emailed Kowa today to ask about local retailers carrying their new line, so I could try it out, and the GOOD news is that they will be demo-ing the new BD II XD's in Sonoma this Saturday at the Wine Country Optics Festival.
http://www.sonomabirding.com/coming-events/

The BAD news (for me), is that I will be out of town. Hopefully some folks here on the forum can get up there to try them out and report back. Someone with glasses! ;-)

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