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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 05:07   #576
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Nothing says cool like a block of wood on your forehead!
I tried something similar, on a Russian 12x40, some 20 years ago, inspired by some pictures of old binoculars I had seen. I've still got the binoculars, couldn't find the contraption I made though. I also used wood, even covered it in rubber. The plan was to make a headrest in aluminium if it worked. It did to some extent, but the effect was too small to be of any real significance. So the idea (and presumably the contraption I'd made) ended up in the bin.

I'm sure the Swarovski headrest will be a better, but I doubt it's worth the effort. That remains to be seen though.

I think a headrest may well work on a scope or a binocular on a stable tripod. In that case you may be able to stabilise the head against the scope/binocular rather than the other way round. Such headrests were used in some (large) military binoculars, e.g. the 25x100 used in WW II.

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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 05:44   #577
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Any chance that the focus is variable-ratio? I had really hoped to see variable-ratio implemented in an EL update [Instead, we may even lose close focus capability in future production of the EL].

I am extremely excited by the prospect of a wide-field flat-field aberration-free view in the NL. It would be a perfect match to my preferred viewing style of rapidly looking around the FOV rather than keeping my eyes trained straight ahead. I'm also excited by the slim oval barrels for better handling. Further, I like the focus set far from the face, which makes it better for use with a hat and for good air circulation to avoid fogging glasses in the cold or on hot humid days.

On the other hand, I am very concerned about the diopter control, which is next to the focus and doesn't lock. It reminds me of the control on the B&L Discoverer roof, which had a tendency to get bumped out of place or to get very loose and not hold its setting. The FP strap lugs are also unappealing to me. Any chance they've been redesigned to prevent 180 degree rotation (and consequent twisted neck strap)? As for the forehead brace, I don't think it will work for those of us who wear a hat low on the forehead, which I always do while birding to block much lateral light given that I wear glasses and so have the eyecups twisted down.

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Alexis. You forgot your hyphen on 180-degree rotation.
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 05:48   #578
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Alexis. You forgot your hyphen on 180-degree rotation.
I'd call that optional, but good one Dennis!

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How many brave souls have pre-ordered the new NL ?
I did last Friday. I am waiting for the first good review of Jan. Last thing I read was that he will get a peek on the NL tomorrow.
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How many brave souls have pre-ordered the new NL ?
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 11:55   #582
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Just for yucks, check out Dennis' one-star review on the 8x32 SV on B&H, from March I think. Always a hoot, Dennis. Comic relief I guess.
PS: Dennis got his one-star review (notice the hyphen and the correct use of parentheses) removed from B&H. Make of that what you want.
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I tried something similar, on a Russian 12x40, some 20 years ago, inspired by some pictures of old binoculars I had seen. I've still got the binoculars, couldn't find the contraption I made though. I also used wood, even covered it in rubber. The plan was to make a headrest in aluminium if it worked. It did to some extent, but the effect was too small to be of any real significance. So the idea (and presumably the contraption I'd made) ended up in the bin.

I'm sure the Swarovski headrest will be a better, but I doubt it's worth the effort. That remains to be seen though.

I think a headrest may well work on a scope or a binocular on a stable tripod. In that case you may be able to stabilise the head against the scope/binocular rather than the other way round. Such headrests were used in some (large) military binoculars, e.g. the 25x100 used in WW II.

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Swaro didn't invent the headrest by a far margin, someone a few centuries ago suggested a cap with a telescope mounted on as a stabilised optical aid to navigation by the stars.

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Very impressive!
Especially as all these people had to take a boat or a plane to get there. Helps explain why the UK is still the world's leading birding community.
Here is a Black Billed Cuckoo.
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PS: Dennis got his one-star review (notice the hyphen and the correct use of parentheses) removed from B&H. Make of that what you want.

One of many reasons whey you just can't take this guy seriously anymore.
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 15:08   #586
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One of many reasons whey you just can't take this guy seriously anymore.
Seems unduly harsh to me.
There is nothing wrong with one or two star reviews, they are often much more usefully informative than the five star accolades. Plus we all know that our reaction to a new binocular varies greatly between individuals.
So maybe Dennis hated the SV initially, but later reconsidered. I'd view that willingness to change course as a positive, although recognizing that a consistent perspective helps build appreciation by others.
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"How many brave souls have pre-ordered the new NL ?"

I think some patience is warranted on the pre-order, at least for me. I will wait until they actually circulate out there a bit. With the Covid issue, service/repair has been, well...lagging, (all manufacturers), so who knows how production of a new glass requiring retooling has been implemented. Just being the conservative I am.

Additionally, I will no doubt get some descriptions of the FOV, how sharp are they really to the edge.

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"How many brave souls have pre-ordered the new NL ?"

I think some patience is warranted on the pre-order, at least for me.
Me too Andy,

I remember when the SF launched many pre-ordered before trying one, and lets be honest the grey models needed a little tweaking with the black models following in short time.

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580&581

A bit off topic, but how can post #580 be a reply to #581?
Anti-causality? Now you have the proof that the author of #581 is from another planet/universe.
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Is it usually an issue with new releases, that stock is quickly running low and orders get delayed? Or what are the benefits or pre-ordering? With iPhones and stuff I understand that, but is it also the case with binoculars?
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A bit off topic, but how can post #580 be a reply to #581?
Anti-causality? Now you have the proof that the author of #581 is from another planet/universe.
The same question was earlier posted by denco on another corresponding thread - hence seemingly receiving an answer before being asked on this thread.
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Is it usually an issue with new releases, that stock is quickly running low and orders get delayed? Or what are the benefits or pre-ordering? With iPhones and stuff I understand that, but is it also the case with binoculars?
I imagine that some people just want to be amongst the first to have and use a new product so pre ordering is the way to secure that desire.
And getting sufficient initial stock in from the manufacture is always tricky...... you dont want to have money tied up in surplus units hanging around for months on end.
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That Black-billed Cuckoo was way off track, but the response! Those are some serious birders!

When I lived in Cincinnati, Ohio a Garganey stopped by. The scope line was impressive but nothing like that!

Black and Yellow-billed Cuckoos are fairly common here. A little wary as it turns out. They like to turn their brown backs to you so you don't see their white breast and striped tail.

In general, I'm not an "early adopter" either. I can wait on the NL, mostly because I'm a bit tired of lugging around a 42mm. I can be swayed, however, depending on the reviews.
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A bit off topic, but how can post #580 be a reply to #581?
Anti-causality? Now you have the proof that the author of #581 is from another planet/universe.
I am not sure how that occurred. I quoted to denco but there was a extraterrestrial glitsch I suppose.
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I am not sure how that occurred. I quoted to denco but there was a extraterrestrial glitsch I suppose.
Which would prove he's a alien, which would explain everything.
Assumption, wishfull thinking or reality.......
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I'll bet there is a certain amount of apprehension circulating in Wetzlar at the moment. If the inevitable and already eagerly anticipated 8x32 NL is subjectively only marginally 'better' than the 8x32 SF or even very similar and Swarovski pitch it at just sub-2k, the SF could end up dead in the water, despite all the hype it has received. This could be a major coup for Swarovski and an equivalent blow to Zeiss in the exciting world of optics wars! At just shy of 2k, I may be tempted to upgrade my 2004 vintage 8x32EL; any more and 'I'm out', as they say.

Edit: Of course, I could equally be tempted by an 8x32SV FP in the meantime!

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I'll bet there is a certain amount of apprehension circulating in Wetzlar at the moment. If the inevitable and already eagerly anticipated 8x32 NL is subjectively only marginally 'better' than the 8x32 SF or even very similar and Swarovski pitch it at just sub-2k, the SF could end up dead in the water, despite all the hype it has received. This could be a major coup for Swarovski and an equivalent blow to Zeiss in the exciting world of optics wars! At just shy of 2k, I may be tempted to upgrade my 2004 vintage 8x32EL; any more and 'I'm out', as they say.

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It is doubtful NL 32 will be launched in this year, perhaps not until BirdFair August 2021 or even later, because Swaro will want as many people as possible to buy the more expensive 42mm instead of the 32.

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Is it usually an issue with new releases, that stock is quickly running low and orders get delayed? Or what are the benefits or pre-ordering? With iPhones and stuff I understand that, but is it also the case with binoculars?
Sometimes around the States...they give you a 10% or more discount for pre-order as I have seen with the SF.
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I'll bet there is a certain amount of apprehension circulating in Wetzlar at the moment. If the inevitable and already eagerly anticipated 8x32 NL is subjectively only marginally 'better' than the 8x32 SF or even very similar and Swarovski pitch it at just sub-2k, the SF could end up dead in the water, despite all the hype it has received. This could be a major coup for Swarovski and an equivalent blow to Zeiss in the exciting world of optics wars! At just shy of 2k, I may be tempted to upgrade my 2004 vintage 8x32EL; any more and 'I'm out', as they say.

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You accidentally wrote sub-2k where you definitely should have written sub-3K. I see no reason why Swarovski would ever make them cheaper than the SF, with all the fanboys blindly buying whatever comes out from Absam, irregardless of it being better or worse than the competition.
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