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Old Friday 11th March 2016, 11:39   #26
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Old Saturday 12th March 2016, 02:39   #27
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Old Saturday 12th March 2016, 07:15   #28
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Correct. Working on it
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Correct. Working on it
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Well, this should do the job
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Old Wednesday 16th March 2016, 09:57   #30
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The dialyt collection 1932-2016 and 3 prisms from China, Zeiss 56 and 42.

From left to right:
8x32, 8x42, 7x56, 8x56, 16x56, 8x56GA, 8x56 mono all Hensoldt and last but not least the Zeiss 8x56 TP.

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Jan: Wow! What a collection! The history you have lined up on top of the shelves is fascinating! Is this all showing at your store? Should have done a side trip from Amsterdam a few years back.
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Thanks,

Google House of Outdoor and than on virtuele rondleiding. You'll get the "old scenery" and on the pictures the new one. Next month it will be on Google earth shops and than you can virtually walk through the shop.

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Old Wednesday 16th March 2016, 16:19   #33
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Jan, you are a good one to ask, as it has been mentioned that Zeiss seems to be asleep at the switch regarding a new HT or SF 32 mm bin.

What percentage of binocular sales in your store are 30 - 32 mm, compared to 42 mm and up?
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Old Wednesday 16th March 2016, 16:44   #34
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Great collection Jan.
Great pics too.

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Old Wednesday 16th March 2016, 17:03   #35
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Jan, you are a good one to ask, as it has been mentioned that Zeiss seems to be asleep at the switch regarding a new HT or SF 32 mm bin.

What percentage of binocular sales in your store are 30 - 32 mm, compared to 42 mm and up?
If we take 2015 'till now as date and 42 versus 32:
In Conquest it is 4 to 1;
In Terra 2 to 1;
In SV 1 to 1;
In HD 1 to 1.

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If we take 2015 'till now as date and 42 versus 32:
In Conquest it is 4 to 1;
In Terra 2 to 1;
In SV 1 to 1;
In HD 1 to 1.

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Which would suggest that, given a choice, Zeiss premium buyers would opt for a 32 mm as often as a 42 mm.

So, it really does beg the question as to why Zeiss has been so slow with a premier 32 mm. They have done a good job on giving us options in the mid to lower tier but have done poorly at expanding the HT / SF line-up.
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SAD, but

I am glad that I got the 8x56 dialyt 2 years ago-it is one of my favorite binoculars.
Its low light ability is well known, and it is my go to for handheld binos for astronomy.

How many other binoculars have been in production for 50 years?

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The 8.5x44 Swift Audubon, including the 804 and 820 models. 1958 to present, i.e., 58 yrs.

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The 8.5x44 Swift Audubon, including the 804 and 820 models. 1958 to present, i.e., 58 yrs.

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Old Swift lover, don't forget the Austrian Habicht since 1948.
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Google House of Outdoor and than on virtuele rondleiding. You'll get the "old scenery" and on the pictures the new one. Next month it will be on Google earth shops and than you can virtually walk through the shop.

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Great tour! Good to see the Swaro draw tubes and habicht binos on display and the outdoor gear looked great!
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Which would suggest that, given a choice, Zeiss premium buyers would opt for a 32 mm as often as a 42 mm.

So, it really does beg the question as to why Zeiss has been so slow with a premier 32 mm. They have done a good job on giving us options in the mid to lower tier but have done poorly at expanding the HT / SF line-up.
You are absolutely right James.

I think there are several reasons for this. The tradition at Zeiss is for 42mm models to be launched first. This makes commercal sense as it tempts folks that are keen for something new to buy the bigger, more expensive model. This is why hardback versions of books are published first.

Then there is the fact, as much as some might disagree with it, that there was never going to be a 32mm HT. Mark from Zeiss UK said it on here but maybe we didn't listen carefully enough. The next HT we got was HT54, because this followed the logic of 'twilight specialist' role that Zeiss had in mind for HT. Next up Zeiss clearly wanted a model to challenge Swaro's EL and following the pattern of 42mm first, out came (eventually) SF 42.

And unlike in previous decades, Zeiss has also developed an entry level of products in the form of the Terra line and taken it from 42 to 32 and now to Pockets. You could say that Terra has taken development time away from a premium 32. Why? Because research done by KISKA (and mentioned on their website) shows that the average hunter in the States will not spend more than $500 on a pair of binoculars, and I'm guessing its likely this applies to the average birder too. So I think its likely that Zeiss wanted to open up the sub-$500 market in the States before considering a premium 32.

This is my personal interpretation of events.

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Thanks for the insight Lee, and it does make sense as I see a lot of 32 mm Conquests in the field now, more than many of the other alphas.

So, in Zeiss's case, they are making it on volume rather than margin.
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Jan, are these binos still in working condition?
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Elmer,

Please!!!!!!!!!!!! this is Hensoldt and Zeiss we are talking about

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Thanks for the insight Lee, and it does make sense as I see a lot of 32 mm Conquests in the field now, more than many of the other alphas.

So, in Zeiss's case, they are making it on volume rather than margin.
Not only that James, if you think back to Mike Jensen's rather 'corporate' explanation of Terra and Conquest a couple of year ago, he described Terra as a 'gateway' line.

In other words, a line to introduce Zeiss bins to folks, and from Zeiss's point of view, give them a step on the ladder that leads to Conquest and ultimately Victory models.

So Terra can be seen as much as an investment in future Conquest and Victory sales as much as anything, and if you consider the question of developing a top tier model like an SF32 you can see that it could make sense to do the Terra line first, in the expectation that having experienced Terra there will be more folks willing to buy an SF32 by the time it appears.

This is all based on my recollection of Mike's comments at the time and one thing missing from this explanation is any consideration of other development projects that might be taking place as well.

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Ed,

Old Swift lover, don't forget the Austrian Habicht since 1948.
Yes the Habicht is the daddy in this regard. Anything else today been produced longer?


I picked up a mint late model 8x56 Bgatp last year...I got the soft and the hard case. Honestly, the best thing about this binocular is how it looks and feels. Aesthetically It borders on the ridiculous but in a great way...like a couple of Swiss horns. It's probably the only binocular I would enjoy looking at through another binocular. The 8x56 view is very sweet but has such a narrow fov and small sweet spot. I can't really see any advantage it has over the equivalent Zeiss 7x42 Bgatp, whereas the 7x42 has many advantages. I see no advantages of the 8x56 for dimly lit objects. For reference, According to my optometrist My pupils dilate to 6mm in a low lit room and 7-8mm in the dark.

Still, somehow I really like the 8x56. I'm planning to take them to the symphony or an opera...mainly to embarrass my family hehe

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