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Old Thursday 13th February 2020, 15:45   #26
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No problem. They are B1.1 Meostars 8x42. What is the difference? A newer model?

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No problem. They are B1.1 Meostars 8x42. What is the difference? A newer model?
The difference is in the dioptre adjuster which is now a pull-up wheel with a window in it (pic on the right) as opposed to the tapered wheel sitting on top of the focus as seen on the B1 on the left.

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MeoStar 56mm binos use AK prisms.

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According to the Meopta website they use SP prisms, FWIW.


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The difference is in the dioptre adjuster which is now a pull-up wheel with a window in it (pic on the right) as opposed to the tapered wheel sitting on top of the focus as seen on the B1 on the left.

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Thanks, Lee. Nice improvement. The diopter looks much improved. No optics or other changes? By the way what exactly does this mean? "You are never alone, with a sheep."

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According to the Meopta website they use SP prisms, FWIW.


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I don't see that any Meopta's use AK prism's. Not even the 56mm's.
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The 12x50 size is what is mentioned here, and many of you are off topic, so behave. I have had the Meopta 12x50 HD for well over a year now, and I really like it. The handling is very nice, it is very bright and the quality of build is as good as anything else out there. There are other threads on this model if you go back and look.

The 12x50 size is not commented on here often, but this is certainly one to consider.

The Nikon 12x50 SE was mentioned earlier, I have that one also, both are very
good, and I find the Meopta is better all around.

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...There is a BIG jump in magnification from 15x to 18x and how much detail you can see. Roger Vine called the UHD a small apochromatic scope...
As big a jump as... from 10 to 12x. I really liked the 12x50 I tried once, which happened to be the EL. If 15x hadn't worked out for me I'd definitely have wanted a 12. It's a nice format.

Roger did not "call" the 18x UHD "a small apochromatic telescope", he said it seemed like one when viewing the surface of the Moon, notwithstanding all the false color on its edge, and on smaller objects like Venus, etc. Again it's a curiously mixed review. Clearly that kind of magnification can be fun.

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MeoStar 56mm binos use AK prisms.
Meopta's own website and those of various merchants all say these have SP prisms like all the other Meostars. Do you have inside information about this? This does look like a nice model though, with almost the FOV of the Swaro SLC.

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According to the Meopta website they use SP prisms, FWIW.


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Yes George you are right but I am sure that is an error. There are many references to AKs being used in the 56mm models for example https://www.houseofoutdoor.com/wp-co...april-2016.pdf , but I will try to get confirmation from Meopta.

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Thanks, Lee. Nice improvement. The diopter looks much improved. No optics or other changes? By the way what exactly does this mean? "You are never alone, with a sheep."
No changes were made to B1.1 other than the dioptre.

Sheep farming in the hills of Scotland is widespread and when we roam the hills and coasts of the Scottish islands or mainland there are always, always, sheep nearby. They are our constant companions on the hills and exhibit interesting behaviour.

Back in the late 1950s in the UK there was a famous advertising campaign for a brand of cigarettes called Strand with the tag-line 'you are never alone with a Strand'. The campaign was a huge flop but the tag-line stuck and I adapted it to the constantly present sheep in Scotland.

Sheep are quite often the butt of jokes that diminish their intelligence for example a person with few ideas of their own might be described when ollowing a more charismatic leader as 'following like a sheep'. But we see them behaving with intelligence all the time.

I guess 'you are never alone with sheep' is meant as a mild joke at the expense of folks who write them off as mindless and boring.

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No changes were made to B1.1 other than the dioptre.

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Good point Mark, I forgot the extra position given to the eyecups.

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Mark. Thanks for that. Good point.

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Sheep farming in the hills of Scotland is widespread and when we roam the hills and coasts of the Scottish islands or mainland there are always, always, sheep nearby. They are our constant companions on the hills and exhibit interesting behaviour.
Perhaps more surprisingly, sheep can be seen sometimes in the summer high in the Rocky Mountains as well. When traveling backcountry trails in our Defender (hey Jan, I keep forgetting to mention that!) we've seen flocks of sheep grazing in a number of areas. The shepherds are Basque, living alone up there alongside them for months, often with just a horse tethered next to a white canvas tent with a chimney that looks exactly like photos of 150 years ago. And a really big light-colored sheepdog, I don't know the breed.
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Yes George you are right but I am sure that is an error. There are many references to AKs being used in the 56mm models for example https://www.houseofoutdoor.com/wp-co...april-2016.pdf , but I will try to get confirmation from Meopta.

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Thanks, Lee, would be nice to get confirmation from Meopta.


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Thanks, Lee, would be nice to get confirmation from Meopta.


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Just received word from Meopta that at the present time none of their binos have Abbe-Koenig prisms only SPs.

So apologies to all (and in particular to Dennsi) for repeating what is stated elsewhere in error.

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Just received word from Meopta that at the present time none of their binos have Abbe-Koenig prisms only SPs.

So apologies to all (and in particular to Dennsi) for repeating what is stated elsewhere in error.

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Not having any experience with the 12x50 HD's, I have been using its bigger brother, the 15x56 HD's for several years now, and am still profoundly impressed with them. Alpha all the way.

Kudos to Meopta very big time!

FWIW, this message is brought to you by a dyed in the wool Leica guy...
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Can anyone here say when the Meostar 12x50 B1 changed to Fluoride glass or has it always been so?

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Hi Jerry,

The HD versions of the 12x50, and the 15x56, were first listed in the 2015 Meopta catalogue
They replaced the non-HD versions

All HD's have a gold coloured 'HD' badge on the outside of the right barrel


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p.s. on the B1 production the first 2 digits of the 6 digit serial number indicate the year of manufacture e.g. 19xxxx would indicate 2019

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Great review! I am strongly considering the 12x50 instead of my Leica duovids to simplify things a bit.
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Great review! I am strongly considering the 12x50 instead of my Leica duovids to simplify things a bit.
I think you will be very happy with the 12x50's.
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