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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 15:38   #1
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Philadelphia Vireo?

Can someone please confirm this is a Philadelphia Vireo? Taken in Port Credit Ontario.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 16:42   #2
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Looks more like Tennessee to me. When was it seen?
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 16:48   #3
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It was taken Oct 6, 2017.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 17:05   #4
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 17:19   #5
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Agree with Tennessee Warb. The undertail pattern works for that species as well.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 17:22   #6
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 18:59   #7
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The date fits Tennessee better as well.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 19:30   #8
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Good to know. Thanks again Aiden.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 20:32   #9
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Agree with Tennessee Warb. The undertail pattern works for that species as well.
Actually, the white present on the undertail feathers doesn't work for a Tennessee. This bird fits best a Bay-breasted Warbler imo.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 21:44   #10
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Wow. Interesting. I'm definitely an amateur at this. Comparing fall pics I can see online both look good. But shouldn't there be buff or baycolor underneath if it was a Bay-breasted Warbler?? Any other comments on this one.
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Old Sunday 12th November 2017, 23:18   #11
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Any chance of a 1st winter female Blackburnian Warbler?
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Old Monday 13th November 2017, 17:32   #12
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Actually, the white present on the undertail feathers doesn't work for a Tennessee. This bird fits best a Bay-breasted Warbler imo.
According to my Warblers guide by Dunn and Garrett, male Tennessee has a very similar undertail pattern to Bay-breasted, and both close enough for this bird imo.

On this bird, the eye line would be very heavy for a Bay-breasted, but still it is worth considering.

However, the face pattern doesn't fit for Blackburnian, even 1st year female.
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Old Monday 13th November 2017, 18:24   #13
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Randy, really appreciate the input.
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According to my Warblers guide by Dunn and Garrett, male Tennessee has a very similar undertail pattern to Bay-breasted, and both close enough for this bird imo.
That's weird as Tennessee Warblers have a dark tail without any white and Bay-breasteds show big white tail spots.
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I looked at the Sibley app I have: in there, first winter Tennessee is drawn with an all dark undertail while the adult female has a rather large white area on the central area of it.

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Old Tuesday 14th November 2017, 03:14   #16
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I think focussing on the undertail pattern should do the trick. Esp. on pic 1 the shape of the black-white pattern can be judged which to me seems a perfect fit for Bay-breasted. Compare with this:

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Really appreciate all the input on this bird. Thanks to all.
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The tail spots of the bird in the OP are long, bright white and very contrasting with the dark areas, as found in Bay-breasted. In Tennessee, the spots, when present, are diffuse and small, lacking strong contrasts with the dark areas. Tennessee also has a much shorter tail. Here are three FLMNH specimens of each, 1) Bay-breasted, 2) Tennessee

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Thanks Andy. Looks good for Bay-breasted.
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