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Old Monday 22nd July 2019, 07:36   #1
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Honey Buzzards

Did try uploading photos but wont work. Just wanted to ask without naming places. Have people noticed an increase in Honey Buzzards this year?
On holidays in North Wales and have already seen four different birds at different places.
Friends tell me that also in South Wales there are many more than has been the case in recent years.
Hopefully it is the same around the country
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Old Monday 22nd July 2019, 08:11   #2
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I would be circumspect with these extra-limital records - Common Buzzard is probably the most mis-identified large bird in the UK. Most birders i know don’t even try to age them...

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Old Monday 22nd July 2019, 09:21   #3
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I would go as far as to say that if you're not sure if it's a honey buzzard, it isn't one.

If you think it might be one, it probably isn't.

I'll be off again next month to a place where they outnumber the common variety by over a hundred to one. :)
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Old Monday 22nd July 2019, 16:36   #4
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I'll be off again next month to a place where they outnumber the common variety by over a hundred to one. :)
That's Northumberland, isn't it?

If the OP is having trouble uploading pictures, he probably needs to resize them to what BF allows: 1200 pixels longest side is ideal at least for my monitor.

It would be nice to be able to offer a definite opinion on them, though we all know there are an awful lot of Buzzards in Wales.....

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Old Monday 22nd July 2019, 17:47   #5
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I would go as far as to say that if you're not sure if it's a honey buzzard, it isn't one.

If you think it might be one, it probably isn't.
I don't think it's that easy. It depends on the distance, duration of the observation, experience of the observer, and other environmental factors. Of course, that includes location.
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I agree

Nice shots - where are you off to?

I am returning to Batumi in mid-Sept, had a great time in a very welcoming country last year...

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Not as good as Batumi, I'm afraid, but good enough. Strait of Gibraltar.

Been going since 2001 in autumn, with a couple of spring trips thrown in for good measure.
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Old Tuesday 23rd July 2019, 03:29   #8
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I have done 5 consecutive Septembers to the Straits spending a week mooching as far as Cadiz, Seville, Jerez, Bolonia and Ronda with a week just based at Tarifa walking out to the adjaceant hills. We decided to have a break llast September with a couple of weeks in Georgia including 10 days at Batumi. Enjoyed it so much we go again with Wizz Air

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Thanks. It's become a regular event. We stay for three weeks in a farmhouse 10 minutes from the Algarrobo watchpoint. Depending on the wind, we'll go there or Cazalla, but if the conditions aren't right I'm flexible - La Janda, Bonanza, Serrania de Ronda, anywhere that takes my fancy.

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If you know the right places in UK they are here. As for id them I actually find them quiet easy. Major differences in shape from Common Buzzard tbh.
Just seems quite a few more around Wales
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Old Wednesday 24th July 2019, 07:01   #11
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I would go as far as to say that if you're not sure if it's a honey buzzard, it isn't one.

If you think it might be one, it probably isn't.

I'll be off again next month to a place where they outnumber the common variety by over a hundred to one. :)
Yep they are Honeys😆 Very nice phots
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I don't think it's that easy. It depends on the distance, duration of the observation, experience of the observer, and other environmental factors. Of course, that includes location.
In the Uk there are fewer raptors to confuse them with. Lucky enough to know for some regularish sites.
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Do please enlighten as to the areas, in Wales, where you are seeing the local ‘hotspot’ Honeys - you don’t have to be site specific just 10k x 10k plots will do as the are easy to ID even at distance.....

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Do please enlighten as to the areas, in Wales, where you are seeing the local ‘hotspot’ Honeys - you don’t have to be site specific just 10k x 10k plots will do as the are easy to ID even at distance.....

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Even at 10 x 10 km squares, the locations are confidential. BTO map them by 50 x 50 km squares.
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I was just offering some bait, i am not really bothered - even in those places where they actually are

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I'd still like to see the photos: uploading isn't really all that difficult, nor is resizing to enable it. Then we might have something to discuss.

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Perhaps the Welsh ones are using the hot air provided by the Welsh observer ‘in the know’

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Not as good as Batumi, I'm afraid, but good enough. Strait of Gibraltar.

Been going since 2001 in autumn, with a couple of spring trips thrown in for good measure.
Hope to see you there! With regard to HB identification, I can think of few species where a little experience makes so much difference.
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I’ve cancelled my flight to Batumi - i’m off to Wales

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Does anyone know whether there has been a significant change, increase or decrease, in the UK Honey population in the last, say, fifty years??
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Does anyone know whether there has been a significant change, increase or decrease, in the UK Honey population in the last, say, fifty years??
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More or less steady, from RBBP totals. I'd suspect they're suffering from the decline in wasp populations (in common with the general decline in insect numbers), but conversely benefit from reduced gamekeeper persecution by 'hiding' in the increased Buzzard population.
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Did try uploading photos but wont work. Just wanted to ask without naming places. Have people noticed an increase in Honey Buzzards this year?
On holidays in North Wales and have already seen four different birds at different places.
Friends tell me that also in South Wales there are many more than has been the case in recent years.
Hopefully it is the same around the country
I'd kindly suggest that if you saw four Honey Buzzards at four different site, you didn't see any!

Breeding population in UK has remained stable for many years, so a sudden increase is unlikely, and whilst Wales has a couple of pairs, the volume and density at which you saw them is so unlikely as to make it most likely an error.

Happy to be proven wrong, if you have any images?
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Hope to see you there! With regard to HB identification, I can think of few species where a little experience makes so much difference.
Arriving on the 25th John. Hope to see you too.
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But, but, they will all be in Wales

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