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Old Saturday 27th July 2019, 10:52   #26
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There are indeed a couple of photos of HB’s from previous years.

It would be nice to see the current ones the location can be vague - North Wales will do...

I echo the sentiment of needless tagging that will yield pointless info and put stress on birds. Some of thes people think they have a right to interfere with stuff and for a species that still appears to be common in its core range and migrates in truly astonishing numbers recorded at key locations any info, as far as the welfare of the species is concerned, will be of little if any use imho and serves the interests of those involved...

It must be something in the water because there is a group of ringers in mid-Wales led by some sort of obsessive guru that seem hell bent on ringing anything that moves and has no shortage of acolytes and sycophants that are willing to undergo ‘processing’ (you know who you are).

Posession of a ringing license does not give people carte-blanche to do what they wish with creatures that do not belong to them indeed they do not belong to anybody

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Old Saturday 27th July 2019, 11:05   #27
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The OP has previously posted photos of HBs back in 2013 captioned as taken in Wales.
Yes, although his ID was cautious and one Common Buzzard had crept in. I now additionally don't understand how he could upload photos then but not now. Reprising that conversation also re-emphasised reasons not to be at all precise about location.

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Old Monday 29th July 2019, 12:21   #28
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The OP has previously posted photos of HBs back in 2013 captioned as taken in Wales.
That thread also proves that even with photographs, some people still identify Common Buzzards as Honey-buzzards (a number of people claiming image 2 as a HB, but it is clearly a Common Buzzard!).
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Old Tuesday 6th August 2019, 08:19   #29
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Thanks for the comments. I'm more than happy with what I've seen. Maybe you doubters can check up with the rare birds breeding panel at the end of the season. They should at least be able to confirm that there are a number of Honeys in Wales this year. As for the ringer I'm mid Wales he also put a transmitter on one Honey in North Wales it returned next season then died as did the one from South Wales.
I really don't give a toss wether you believe me or not just par for the course from you arm chair critics. Get out and look . There's an advertised spot in S Wales get your egos and cameras there then come back and post your pics. If you can't see them there stick to migration routes where you can't miss them lol
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Yes, although his ID was cautious and one Common Buzzard had crept in. I now additionally don't understand how he could upload photos then but not now.
There used to be an easy process for resizing photos in Windows but that disappeared with Windows 10.
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Thanks for the comments. I'm more than happy with what I've seen. Maybe you doubters can check up with the rare birds breeding panel at the end of the season. They should at least be able to confirm that there are a number of Honeys in Wales this year. As for the ringer I'm mid Wales he also put a transmitter on one Honey in North Wales it returned next season then died as did the one from South Wales.
I really don't give a toss wether you believe me or not just par for the course from you arm chair critics. Get out and look . There's an advertised spot in S Wales get your egos and cameras there then come back and post your pics. If you can't see them there stick to migration routes where you can't miss them lol
Whilst I can readily understand your annoyance that others are doubting your report, given the history of misidentifications of HB (even by those representing themselves as experts) and the species' elusiveness I can also understand why some posters are, perhaps unfairly, doubtful. The best remedy & riposte would be to find a way of posting the images you mention. If you can't post them here yourself I'm sure you should be able to email them to people who could try to do so for you.
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Old Tuesday 6th August 2019, 11:40   #32
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You can resize in windows 10 using the photos app

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Old Tuesday 6th August 2019, 12:06   #33
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Leakey,
There's really no need for your last post to be so belligerent is there? Your commencement of the thread drew attention and others, including me, commented. I'm pleased to know that HBs are about and breeding anywhere in the UK and good luck to those fortunate enough to observe them and help monitor and conserve their habitat.
Thanks and do try to share your photos if possible.
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Old Tuesday 6th August 2019, 12:29   #34
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Thanks for the comments. I'm more than happy with what I've seen. Maybe you doubters can check up with the rare birds breeding panel at the end of the season. They should at least be able to confirm that there are a number of Honeys in Wales this year. As for the ringer I'm mid Wales he also put a transmitter on one Honey in North Wales it returned next season then died as did the one from South Wales.
I really don't give a toss wether you believe me or not just par for the course from you arm chair critics. Get out and look . There's an advertised spot in S Wales get your egos and cameras there then come back and post your pics. If you can't see them there stick to migration routes where you can't miss them lol
What a ridiculous response! This has the usual knee-jerk haul-marks of someone who doesn't actually know what they've seen!

As for checking the RBBP report. What will that prove! for every pair of HB's breeding in Wales, there are probably 2,000-3,000+ pairs of Common Buzzards, so this evidences nothing!

You have previously posted photos of Common Buzzard and asked for clarification on ID (which was provided by these 'arm chair critics'), so its not unreasonable for people to question the ID further.

The simplest thing would be to have the photos posted on this thread (unless you have realised now they don't support your original post?)
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Old Tuesday 6th August 2019, 18:05   #35
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Image 2 from 2013 looks like a HB, as stated by Biancone and Tideliner. HBs are present in parts of Wales in very low numbers, I've had some of my best ever views of them here.
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Healthily sceptical would be how i describe it and critics on here will be familiar with Honey Buzzards - i have spent 4 trips at Tarifa and last Autumn at Batumi where i have seen a ‘few’ to say the least About the only thing that remains unringed in mid-Wales is a certain ringer’s neck imo

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Old Wednesday 7th August 2019, 08:15   #37
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Healthily sceptical would be how i describe it and critics on here will be familiar with Honey Buzzards - i have spent 4 trips at Tarifa and last Autumn at Batumi where i have seen a ‘few’ to say the least About the only thing that remains unringed in mid-Wales is a certain ringer’s neck imo

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Old Thursday 8th August 2019, 09:00   #38
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To ring or not to wring?

I don’t care as long as somebody does it

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Image 2 from 2013 looks like a HB, as stated by Biancone and Tideliner. HBs are present in parts of Wales in very low numbers, I've had some of my best ever views of them here.
Are you sure about image 2?

I'm not saying HB's are not found in Wales (I'm an avid reader of the RBBP report, for example). But to suggest that because they appear in that report is some form of evidence to support an individual sighting (in an area where the commoner species is, erm, more common) is, frankly, laughable!

Surely the best evidence would be the photos.... which the original poster now seems to have given-up trying to post.....
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Sounds like there was some mud slinging over this thread during the last few days (and posts have now been deleted)..... but still no photos....

How strange!
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Old Tuesday 20th August 2019, 07:53   #41
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A bit more than mud-slinging mate, veiled threats of ‘keep your gob shut or else’. It would seem that the newbie antagonist had generated a new account for the sole reason of slagging me off and sending me intimidating PM’s - he was told to more or less go and piss up a rope but that wasn’t good enuff he then started to go on another thread of mine and slag that off.

There was only one winner and a couple of requests explaining the situation to ‘the management’ resulted in the offending posts (including my own measured responders) being removed and the offensive account terminated within an hour of my complaining that this sort of thing is not acceptable on public forums

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Some folk are still a mystery to me Laurie, but I dont try to work them out or where they're coming from anymore in regards to social media.
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It’s the ‘Tommy Ten Men’ aspect that cheeses me off...

What started out as a bit of healthy scepticism and banter turned very nasty very quickly and obviously some of my comments touched a nerve but once ppl start to threaten (over bird ID ffs) then they have already lost it but this aggressive idiot started PMing me with a ‘watch your back in Wales’ type scenario

I shall be seeing probably 50k+ Honeys, Steppe and what he was watching very shortly in Batumi so i don’t give a..... If you put stuff up for peer review then that is what you get.

In my twitching team during the 80’s that bloke would not have lasted 5 minutes with Black Country humour, the banter was merciless - i have the same problem with a local bird reserve that takes itself a bit too seriously

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Pyrtle - where in North Norfolk? I spent my 2 best Summers wardening the Terns etc on Blakeney Point in the early 80’s

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I'm along the way from Fakenham to Holt road. Spent 10 years working for NWT at Holme and Cley. Blakeney Point is incredible but couldn't manage the walk there and back these days.

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You sound my age and generation mate

Even though i lived at the top end in the Lifeboat house i used to walk down to Cley and back most days - at least to Halfway House as that is where the Little Terns were clustered not nice and convenient up with all the others. I found Kentish Plover breeding - 1st nest for Norfolk although they abandoned it and Giles Dunmore the County Recorder came and picked the eggs up to take to the Castle Museum, Norwich. I have made a couple of enquiries as to their whereabouts but have drawn a blank - so once again the endeavours of humble field birders have probably ended up in a cabinet in somebody’s living room...

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It's a sad state of affairs when the debate over the identification of a bird reaches such a low ebb that people are threatened. Sadder still when the whole matter could (& should) be resolved by simply posting a few photos. I'm no computer expert, far from it, but it really isn't too difficult to resize & post photos.
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Agreed John - all the birders i know have at least a half decent bridge camera if not a DSLR and these days the resolution on most smart phones would do the trick and as i have stated if you put stuff up or say you have seen things then your head is above the parapet and therefore will be peer review scrutinised.

Quite why the bloke reacted towards me as he did only he knows but he clearly has ‘anger management’ issues.....in addition to the bird identification ones

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Sadder still when the whole matter could (& should) be resolved by simply posting a few photos. I'm no computer expert, far from it, but it really isn't too difficult to resize & post photos.
Indeed, that can be done with any picture editing programme, even the rudimentary one that's pre-installed on any Windows PC (i.e., you really don't need to buy expensive software like Photoshop for such basic tasks). I resize pictures for ID all the time; it sure is annoying, but after all, the forum doesn't have unlimited bandwidth.
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The problem could be that there were no pictures to post in the first place?
The easiest way is to take a back of camera shot with a smartphone and post accordingly - not the best of images but if anybody struggles with resizing etc then it will suffice for ID but as stated it has to exist to start with...

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