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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 11:47   #1
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What harrier is this?

Hello everyone,
A few weeks back I saw this harrier over a massive, massive field whilst flying over a road, not very high above the ground. The fact it is a harrier I assume is because of the white band on its tail? (The hen harrier I took on the Russian field two days ago had a very similar band in the same spot)
Could this be a Montagu's harrier? I can see only four fingers on its wings- on the one two days ago there were five. Moscow oblast where I am right now is a place where the Montagu's harrier is much more common than the hen harrier. Theoretically, this could also very potentially be a pallid harrier, but they are so rare in the region (but still possible- I know of a nesting pair about 20 km away) I am prepared to not even consider that option. The fact that it is a ringtail I think is obvious. Any ideas?
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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 11:54   #2
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I think I see five fingers on the right wing, and it the wing looks rather broad, even allowing for the angle
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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 13:04   #3
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Looks like a Common Buzzard to me!?

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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 14:24   #4
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Looks like a Common Buzzard to me!?

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Doesn't really have a Harrier look to me either?
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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 19:32   #5
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For me, it's more likely a Hen Harrier.
Very white rump. Large wing width.
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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 19:46   #6
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I'm with Rotherbirder. It looks more like a buzzard.
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Old Wednesday 28th August 2019, 22:35   #7
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I'd plump for Hen Harrier too. Wing shape looks good too to me, can´t see a Buteo.
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 05:33   #8
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The pattern of the wings excludes harrier IMO. The bird is heavy and has broad wings, so I'm in the CB camp.
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 07:05   #9
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Yes- I can now see a hen harrier in this image as well. Tail was way too long for a buzzard- I actually thought it was a black kite before I noticed the colouration. The one I saw three days ago had broad wings as well...
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 07:12   #10
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Actually the secondary pattern rules out a buzzard and not a HH, which this bird is. Probably juv male based on the very same secondary pattern.
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 08:48   #11
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Harrier for me too

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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 13:23   #12
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As mentioned above by Jean - isn't the white patch at base of tail typical of Harriers as opposed to Buzzards?
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 16:01   #13
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the correct answer is in post 10
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