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Old Thursday 16th May 2019, 20:41   #651
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Oh indeed. Sodium-ion may prove more appropriate for trucks - not limited by natural resources like lithium.

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Freedom gas. . ..

https://slate.com/business/2019/05/f...of-energy.html
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Freedom gas. . ..

The Department of Energy Is Now Calling Fossil Fuels “Molecules of Freedom” and “Freedom Gas”
Photons from the sun are free too.

I'm very surprised that for a country that is so whoo-har and ra-ra about it's military, that it hasn't 'plugged' the strategic deficit of relying upon foreign oil and the unsavory regimes connected (fracking the living heck outta your environment notwithstanding ! :)

My military connections tell me that Generals regularly raise the issue .....
I know it's something Trump has mentioned too, but I don't see any big renewable energy and sustainability push

Thank goodness for Elon Musk .... I hope some shadowy black ops department is working on cloning him ! :)




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AGW-denialism, another nail in the coffin of—

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Old Thursday 25th July 2019, 08:47   #655
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Further coverage on the BBC today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49086783

Note that the three papers are free to read (but not download) on the NPG website:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1401-2.epdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0400-0.epdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0402-y.epdf

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CO2 not the problem .... it's the English !! ....

It looks like we don't have to get rid of CO2 after all ..... just the English .....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49074872...7OMJFtp-0cc7PQ

With the majority of Australia's wetlands gone since 1788, perhaps it's the solution we need .....






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Angry If it's not the English it's the Air Conditioners !

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Interesting new study from BAS/LDEO/UoW (original paper attached):
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/fir...tic-ice-sheet/
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Soil ecologist challenges mainstream thinking on climate change

More research in this area would be beneficial ....
https://www.lajuntatribunedemocrat.c...TkJ5W5WKrcehqY



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Thumbs up Climate Change Solved - Completely - and it won't cost a thing :) Do the maths

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https://www.lajuntatribunedemocrat.c...TkJ5W5WKrcehqY

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Interesting take, but is there any evidence that global water vapor levels have risen over the past century?
There is good evidence for rising CO2 levels, which is I think why scientists see it as a major factor.
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Interesting take, but is there any evidence that global water vapor levels have risen over the past century?
There is good evidence for rising CO2 levels, which is I think why scientists see it as a major factor.
She's essentially saying the same thing that Peter Andrews demonstrates in the video I posted above - weeds colonising bare soil and living in symbiosis with grasses to sequester a multiple of carbon.

I'd be pretty sure that the climate scientists have good measurements of water vapor - but the big picture is what are they measuring? Escapees from disturbed or removed vegetation in drastically altered landscapes??

As Peter Andrews shows above in his restored landscape - the bulk of the water is recycled in a localized daily microclimate landscape. The trouble is that most landscapes under human influence are degraded - not restored.

Still does my head in that one of the suite of proposed solutions to "climate change" - namely, hydrogen powered vehicles ...... has 'water vapour' as the key tailpipe emission !
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Allan Savory on reversing desertification and rehabilitating grasslands

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The key is the management priority focus on land restoration.
Maximizing short term profit by overgrazing the land desertifies it for a long time.
The desert around the Chiricahua hills by Portal AZ, a wonderful birding spot, was once a verdant landscape. In the late 1800s, an onslaught of 5 million cattle stripped it. It has not recovered in the century since.
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The key is the management priority focus on land restoration.
Maximizing short term profit by overgrazing the land desertifies it for a long time.
The desert around the Chiricahua hills by Portal AZ, a wonderful birding spot, was once a verdant landscape. In the late 1800s, an onslaught of 5 million cattle stripped it. It has not recovered in the century since.
Yes, restoration is the key, and it requires precise management actions to replicate natural predatory pressures and hence stock movement. I will have to research more on Allan Savory and his exact techniques - what I've looked at so far makes good sense, though I don't know how he treats stock watering.

Restoring and maintaining wetland systems and hydrological functioning is key to long term environment repair and rebuilding eroded damage grain of plant secured soil at a time.

I wonder if the seed banks still exist for the region you mentioned? Hydrology is important even in desert landscapes too, so perhaps that plays a role in the lack of natural rehabilitation to this point?




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Exclamation The Book of Peter

(forgive the quasi-biblical title, but the gems of wisdom get right to the heart of the planetary 'crisis')
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V5yEjA5DMgc

Great news that Peter Andrews' former living laboratory "Tarwyn Park" has been spared (at least for now) from the ravages and permanent destruction (of hydrological functioning) by a proposed coal mine. The reasoning may not have been entirely spot on - but the result was
https://www.edonsw.org.au/bylong_ref...b_vkCEYETxMgkg





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Global aircraft fleet to double inside 20 years .....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ration-by-2038

Yep ! that should work ......




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Have to admit, I found this comment, from a well known denier web site, actually quite well documented.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/...ea-level-rise/

The threat of catastrophic sea level increases just seems iffy, even if only because both Al Gore as well as Barack Obama have purchased large ocean front properties since leaving office. Presumably they are well informed and would hesitate to do so if they expected their new homes to be flooded shortly.

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. . .The threat of catastrophic sea level increases just seems iffy, even if only because both Al Gore as well as Barack Obama have purchased large ocean front properties since leaving office. Presumably they are well informed and would hesitate to do so if they expected their new homes to be flooded shortly.
How then do you account for neither man being an AGW-denier?
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How then do you account for neither man being an AGW-denier?
Beyond me, but imho actions speak louder than words.
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Beyond me, but imho actions speak louder than words.
Seems to me a comically weak basis for an opinion but I won’t argue the point.

On what other grounds do you find the of threat of catastrophic sea rises “iffy”? To the best of my knowledge, there’s little or no credible scientific evidence against it, “denialism” being mostly the province of cranks and of fossil-fuel interests and the sleazy politicians who pander to them.
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Seems to me a comically weak basis for an opinion but I won’t argue the point.

On what other grounds do you find the of threat of catastrophic sea rises “iffy”? To the best of my knowledge, there’s little or no credible scientific evidence against it, “denialism” being mostly the province of cranks and of fossil-fuel interests and the sleazy politicians who pander to them.
Simply noting two points:
1 There has been very little increase to date, as evidenced by the Tarawa piece I linked earlier.
2 The credibility of the assertions of catastrophic sea level rise is not helped when the most powerful advocates buy ocean front homes.
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How then do you account for neither man being an AGW-denier?
Apart from the whole unfortunate labeling of 'the other' as a "denier" etc, the question is how ? indeed !
...... Hypocrisy ? Delusion ? Sanctimonious Superiority ? Offsets ? (though that's getting back into the delusional realms) , Other ?
Perhaps it's an improvement over former residences ? https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....times-more-en/
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..... imho actions speak louder than words.
True. There seems to be an awful lot of quacking and waddling ..... you know what they say - if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then ........
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Simply noting two points:
1 There has been very little increase to date, as evidenced by the Tarawa piece I linked earlier.
2 The credibility of the assertions of catastrophic sea level rise is not helped when the most powerful advocates buy ocean front homes.
Given that, given the planned doubling of the global passenger airfleet (whose CO2e effects are multiples more deleterious when delivered to the upper atmosphere) as I posted above, the energy (mostly non-renewable, and not CO2e free) consumption in mining Bitcoins now in the top 40 charts of COUNTRY consumption, and global warming poster-boys (add James Lovelock to that - who was so freaked out by AGW that he flipped from advocating the Gaia hypothesis to promoting nuclear power [along with all it's intractable waste]) snapping up waterfront real estate - serious questions must be asked as to whether the whole thing is a non event ?
Perhaps this sheds some light ? https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....stal-home/amp/





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Apart from the whole unfortunate labeling of 'the other' as a "denier" etc. . . .
What euphemism for “denier” would you prefer? The author of the article you provide the link to, by the way, roundly describes AGW as a “hoax” and if that doesn’t make him a “denier”, I don’t know what would.

As I’ve already pointed out, the notion that Gore and Obama have inside information contradicting their public positions on AGW is simply ludicrous. What would the motive be, depressing seaside property values so they could pick up their new holdings cheaply?? That would be a stretch even for a sleazy real estate mogul like Dumbo, whose golf courses disfigure coastlines both here and abroad.
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Simply noting two points:
1 There has been very little increase to date, as evidenced by the Tarawa piece I linked earlier.
2 The credibility of the assertions of catastrophic sea level rise is not helped when the most powerful advocates buy ocean front homes.
1. How do you account, then, for the fact that the overwhelming consensus among climate scientists is that AGW is real and imminent and a threat not just to coastlines but to much else as well? Or are you a conspiracy theorist, like a few others here, seeing the AGW “movement” as the result of an evil alliance between corrupt politicians and a venal scientific “establishment”?.
2. See the previous post.
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