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Old Tuesday 28th August 2007, 20:38   #126
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Although we're talking about categories, someone should probably set up a brief disambiguation article.
I've just had a go at doing this myself using a generic parent category: Georgia

When a site is created for the country Georgia, it should have [[Category: Georgia (country)]] added to it. I've already created that category and listed it in Europe and the generic parent category.
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I wasn't suggesting that phrases like "National Park" be removed... only hinting that we should be consistent in where we draw the line (if we draw one!). My local patch is called "Bestwood Country Park" and removing the "Country Park" bit would imply a different location. So I think I'm agreeing with you I do think there's a strong case for removing organization names like "RSPB" from titles, though.
Very good, sounds like we're on the same page. I'll continue rearranging things in the western US and somebody shout "stop!" if I start drawing inconsistent lines...
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Got bored this evening so had a go at this

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I think the first one looks fine! Now if we could put in a symbol for a square in each of them ...

How easy is it to insert the missing species in the middle of a list?

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I think the first one looks fine! Now if we could put in a symbol for a square in each of them ...

How easy is it to insert the missing species in the middle of a list?

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Hi Niels

As long as each row wasn't initially completely filled, it would be easy enough, just insert the species.

I can't see any mention of 'boxes' in the Help menu.

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Not sure that I've understood correctly, but I've added an alternative to the bottom of the page, which has simulated check boxes.
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Not sure that I've understood correctly, but I've added an alternative to the bottom of the page, which has simulated check boxes.
Oooh whey hey Ben, we seem to be getting somewhere

I was going to suggest that there were no more than, say, 8 species on a row, but with the check boxes, I think it should be left at 6, so species can be added without throwing out the layout.

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Oooh whey hey Ben, we seem to be getting somewhere

I was going to suggest that there were no more than, say, 8 species on a row, but with the check boxes, I think it should be left at 6, so species can be added without throwing out the layout.

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I'd even go so far as to say just 5. It leaves a comfortable gap for users who have their default text size larger, and makes it easier to count the total number of species

I'd like to stress that we shouldn't be hard coding the check lists like this though... it should be relatively simple for the admin to automate this by redefining the current macro. So keep doing check lists the way they're already done.
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Good point Ben - I'd go along with that.

The only problem I can see is some of the Check-lists have a lot of other information in them

see Galapagos Islands

and there are a few others like that, so whether that one, in particular, should be broken down into each Island, I don't know - or how else it could be handled

A number of Check-lists have the likes of (Sp) and (W) in them too.

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Good point Ben - I'd go along with that.

The only problem I can see is some of the Check-lists have a lot of other information in them

see Galapagos Islands

and there are a few others like that, so whether that one, in particular, should be broken down into each Island, I don't know - or how else it could be handled

A number of Check-lists have the likes of (Sp) and (W) in them too.

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I've thought of a possible solution to Galapagos...

What if we re-name the current Check-list then copy just the species into a new Check-list?

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I've thought of a possible solution to Galapagos...

What if we re-name the current Check-list then copy just the species into a new Check-list?

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I think I know what you mean, but can you clarify...

A "check list" with added details like time of year and specific locations and a "species list" with just species names?

Two "lists" in the Galapagos (and similar) entries, or in all entries?

Should both lists contain the same species, or will one be a subset of the other?
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I think I know what you mean, but can you clarify...

A "check list" with added details like time of year and specific locations and a "species list" with just species names?

Two "lists" in the Galapagos (and similar) entries, or in all entries?

Should both lists contain the same species, or will one be a subset of the other?
Yes, it was just the Galapagos one I was thinking of (maybe use the same format if there are some equally 'difficult' ones).

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Edit: sorry got the 'bold' wrong... Just Galapagos I'm talking about LOL
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I think it's appropriate to have a thread for any discussion that relates specifically to locations.
You might want to make the template output an hCard microformat, including coordinates. I did this for over 200 templates on Wikipedia and can assist, if you wish.

I've done it manually, on http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Belvide_Reservoir so you can see what I mean.

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You might want to make the template output an hCard microformat, including coordinates. I did this for over 200 templates on Wikipedia and can assist, if you wish.

I've done it manually, on http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Belvide_Reservoir so you can see what I mean.
Hi Andy

Thanks for your interest in helping the Locations along.

Unfortunately ... I really haven't a clue what you're talking about and the links to Wiki are in techi speak as well, so I'm completely stuck

Looking at the Belvide page I can see there's a lot of code in the Overview... but it doesn't appear to 'do' anything

Erm.... could you try an explanation in um... words of 1 syllable (preferably English)

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If I've been reading the wiki article correctly, the hcard format presents sensitive information in a format that web spiders cannot pick up so you can post an e-mail address, or other information, without fear of spiders reading it.
So the code you can see in the overview is protecting the information in the overview from being harvested by spammers.
I think!


Nice idea but to implement it across the whole of Opus would be a colossal task
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Unfortunately ... I really haven't a clue what you're talking about and the links to Wiki are in techi speak as well, so I'm completely stuck

Looking at the Belvide page I can see there's a lot of code in the Overview... but it doesn't appear to 'do' anything
Do you understand HTML? If so there's an explanation here:

http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wi...es:Microformat

which might help. Otherwise, let me know and I'll find something else.
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If I've been reading the wiki article correctly, the hcard format presents sensitive information in a format that web spiders cannot pick up so you can post an e-mail address, or other information, without fear of spiders reading it.
No; nothing like that. It labels such information in a way that can easily be understood by software.

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Not really - that's what templates are for.
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Do you understand HTML? If so there's an explanation here:

http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wi...es:Microformat

which might help. Otherwise, let me know and I'll find something else.
er... no I sometimes get a message when sending an e-mail (I think it's if I've inserted a smilie) asking if I want to send in HTML or Text, but.....

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Delia,
I know you must have a notapad file somewhere where the latest format is there for copy paste. Couldn't you insert the content of that as the first post in this thread?

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I know you must have a notapad file somewhere where the latest format is there for copy paste. Couldn't you insert the content of that as the first post in this thread?

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OK Niels, what do you think of the result?

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I sometimes get a message when sending an e-mail asking if I want to send in HTML or Text, but.....
OK, Briefly: HTML is the coding system in which text is "marked up" with "tags" (e.g. <p>This is a paragraph</p>) so that it can become a web page.

That system also allows for "classes" to be added to each tag, to indicate what that tag is labelling (<p class="introduction">This is a paragraph</p>).

Microformats use specific sets of classes, to mark-up certan types of data, such as addresses, events or species names, so that they can be recognised by your browser, or a search engine, as such and handled accordingly (like adding an event to your calendar, or finding a place on a map)
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OK Niels, what do you think of the result?

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Thanks Delia,
just what I had in mind. I had suspected that there were more changes, but did not seems so.

Take a look at http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Syndicate.

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Thanks Delia,
just what I had in mind. I had suspected that there were more changes, but did not seems so.

Take a look at http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Syndicate.

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Hi Niels I've removed the Sub tag from the Syndicate article. The Category 'Dominica' needs sorting though; the Dominica article has categories 'Lesser Antilles' and Caribbean. Can I leave you to sort that?
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a notepad file somewhere where the latest format is there for copy paste. Couldn't you insert the content of that as the first post in this thread?
Any chance we could have this template automatically appear when a user creates a new location page? (The same way the species template works for a new bird page.)
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OK, Briefly: HTML is the coding system in which text is "marked up" with "tags" (e.g. <p>This is a paragraph</p>) so that it can become a web page.

That system also allows for "classes" to be added to each tag, to indicate what that tag is labelling (<p class="introduction">This is a paragraph</p>).

Microformats use specific sets of classes, to mark-up certan types of data, such as addresses, events or species names, so that they can be recognised by your browser, or a search engine, as such and handled accordingly (like adding an event to your calendar, or finding a place on a map)
Sorry Andy, I missed your post earlier

mmm... I sort of got that, though it came very close to flummoxing me.

I'm still lost as to how/why this could be incorporated into Opus

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