Ils sont forts ces chinoisFull resolution of all the basal nodes in 9-pp oscines (ML BS = 100) with almost every single gene ??
I'd be interested to see it. (I am a human being, though )You are the full paper?
It is the position of Emberiza affinis that intrigues meI'd be interested to see it. (I am a human being, though )
For comparison: the last tree I attached here is a ML tree based on the same genes, which (even though it is not entirely based on the same individual sequences and the choice of outgroups is not identical) should be fully equivalent to the tree shown in Fig. S1.
(Note that I recovered Arremonidae sister to Emberiza, albeit with mixed support (BS = 85), while in the new study, Calcariidae are are consistently sister to Emberiza with BS = 100, in all trees, be them based on one or more gene(s).)
This new study uses sequences that I regard as obviously problematic, such Päckert et al.'s myoglobin sequence KP877878 (see my comments above) and the "Emberiza aureola" NC_022150 mitogenome, which is obviously wrong and mostly E. rutila (cox1 is rutila; cytb is rutila; 16s is rutila; nd2 is partly rutila (the 360 first bp or so), partly highly divergent (9-10% from both rutila and aureola; doesn't match anything else in GenBank closely)).
They used the cytb sequence of Päckert et al 2015 (here, see Fig. 4 in particular), and nothing else, hence the position was rather expected. Whether it is correct or not, is another issue. The signal in this sequence has always been surprising, but nothing else is available to confirm or infirm it.It is the position of Emberiza affinis that intrigues me
Cai T, Wu G, Sun L, Zhang Y, Peng Z, Guo Y, Liu X, Pan T, Chang J, Sun Z, Zhang B. 2021. Biogeography and diversification of Old World buntings (Aves:I'm too lazy to write the full reference. Here a new phylogeny of Emberizidae.
No news on affinis then, other than its position as sister to Black-headed Bunting and the lot probably is wrong. The divergence times are interesting, certainly an argument for breaking up Emberiza into four neat genera, considering the first split is about the same age as Phaenicophilidae-Parulidae and almost as old as Cardinalidae-Thraupidae!Cai T, Wu G, Sun L, Zhang Y, Peng Z, Guo Y, Liu X, Pan T, Chang J, Sun Z, Zhang B. 2021. Biogeography and diversification of Old World buntings (Aves:
Emberizidae): radiation in open habitats. J. Avian Biol., e02672: 1-14. DOI: 10.1111/jav.02672
Full text here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351825272
Affinis is in the supplementary filesNo news on affinis then, other than its position as sister to Black-headed Bunting and the lot probably is wrong. The divergence times are interesting, certainly an argument for breaking up Emberiza into four neat genera, considering the first split is about the same age as Phaenicophilidae-Parulidae and almost as old as Cardinalidae-Thraupidae!
From the text: "Unfortunately, the phylogenetic positions of the African species E. affinis and E. vincenti were not determined in our study."Affinis is in the supplementary files
Not determined in the sense of uncertainFrom the text: "Unfortunately, the phylogenetic positions of the African species E. affinis and E. vincenti were not determined in our study."
Which in my world means "no news".Not determined in the sense of uncertain
Thank you for the quick response. Much obliged.Abstract at page 778 of:
https://www.internationalornithology.org/PDF/IOCTokyo_Abstracts.pdf .
Page 393 shows this was a Poster presentation not a paper.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stephan-Koblmueller .
Kristina M Sefc .