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Old Wednesday 3rd June 2020, 19:52   #251
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The other two look like Buff Footman & Large Yellow Underwing, but both would be rather early I think? I'm still on quite a steep learning curve myself, so would be very interested to see what other responses you get.
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Thanks all for the Iron Prominent - looks good.....I must learn to take side photos too knowing the book only has some species from that angle! Will be interested in responses on the other 2 also but they do look like Buff Footman and LYU. Thanks
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Orange Footman for 1 I think.
Large Yellow Underwing looks good for other.

I've had both this year so not to early
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Orange Footman and Large Yellow Underwing, Farnborough recently. If you trap through the summer you will be heartily sick of the latter in a few weeks.

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Trapped last night, signs of a shower on the cover but that's all. Pretty cool this morning and only three species in the trap: 14 Heart and Darts way above the singles of Peppered Moth (palish one) and NFY Heart and Club.

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Old Saturday 6th June 2020, 19:47   #257
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I trapped last night too, it stayed dry but was cool and quite windy by the morning. I only got four moths, my lowest catch this year. One each of Treble Lines, Common Swift, Heart and Dart and Brown Rustic.

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No trapping all week, cold, wet and windy here.
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Trapped again last night despite a bit of light rain forecast. Trap wet this morning but moths in it:

18 Heart and Dart
2 Heart and Club
1 Setaceous Hebrew Character
1 I haven't fully identified, thinking maybe Campion at the minute. Possibly in ID forum later. Edit: Lychnis, now I've read the text and looked again. Photo later.
1 Pine Hawk-moth currently in the fridge for when Maz wakes up, NFY, possibly NFG, moth of the day!

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Trapped again last night despite a bit of light rain forecast. Trap wet this morning but moths in it:

18 Heart and Dart
2 Heart and Club
1 Setaceous Hebrew Character
1 I haven't fully identified, thinking maybe Campion at the minute. Possibly in ID forum later. Edit: Lychnis, now I've read the text and looked again. Photo later.
1 Pine Hawk-moth currently in the fridge for when Maz wakes up, NFY, possibly NFG, moth of the day!

Cheers

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Pics of Heart & Club, John? I've only ever seen one and needed expert help for that.

My moth year-list moved up to five () last week with a couple of day-flying British ticks. Mother Shipton I'd seen once in Estonia two years back, but my first UK livened up a dull day at the coast on Tuesday. Another day absent avian migrants produced my first ever, soon to become common apparently, Chimney Sweeper moth. Right next to it, for some strange reason, was a Common Swift (moth) sitting on a discarded sweetie wrapper.
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A bit cool and breezy here last night, 16 moths of 8 species. Heart & Darts dominated with 8, and looks set to take over as commonest species from Common Marbled Carpet, of which there were none. New species were Large Yellow Underwing (I've a feeling that's not the last time we'll be meeting that species, judging by others' comments on here), Lychnis and Poplar Grey. Balance made up of singles of Iron Prominent, Cinnabar, Bright-line Brown-eye and a couple of Willow Beauties.

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Playing catch up again........ Where do the days go?

30th May - 74 moths 22 species - Orange Footman, Heart & Club and Ditula angustiorana new for year.
31st May - 76 moths 29 species - Cypress Carpet, Clouded Silver, Box-tree Moth & Monopis crocicapitella new for year.
1st June - 80 moths 27 species - Amblyptilia acanthadactyla, Pyrausta aurata, Lobster Moth, Sand Dart, Phalonidia manniana & Common Wave new for year.
2nd June - 124 moths 48 species - Yellow Shell, Small Clouded Brindle, Agapeta hamana, Euzophera pinguis, Eudonia lacustrata, Riband Wave, Beautiful Hooktip, Magpie, Hedya salicella, Ringed China-mark, Brown China-mark, Common Swift, Broken-barred Carpet & Ephestia unicolorella ssp woodiella new for year.
3rd June - a break for poor weather
4th June - 55 moths 15 species - Light Emerald new for year.
5th June - 15 moths 6 species with nothing new for the year.

Sand Dart was a full-fledged patch macro tick & probably my 457th when I refind my list. A celebratory pint was had. It breeds in Sand Bay ten miles to the south but a lot of those habitat specialists rarely wander. It was a gravid female but I fear after it left me, it would have done well to find habitat unless it went back south or west. Scarlet Tigers now flying being my first adults for the year & a fresher Gold Spot.

2nd June was the stand out night before the weather broke. Numbers should improve when the moon wanes.

Graham - Heart and Club now on the wing but maximum so far two hiding amongst 50 Heart and Darts..... I'll post a head on pic. Check the forehead!

Elsewhere on patch Bob has added Campion, Crambus pascuella, Lobesia littoralis, Grapholita funebrana, Cnephasia sp. and a Nemapogon sp. that may prove to be better than cloacella.

Usual photo selection to follow starting with Sand Dart (the star), Campion, Lobster, Scarlet Tiger & Orange Footman.

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Second set - Magpie, Gold Spot, Cypress Carpet, Beautiful Hooktip & Amblyptilia acanthadactyla.
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Third set - Heart and Club, Yellow Shell, Light Emerald, Clouded Silver & Common Wave.
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Fourth set - Box-tree Moth, Freyer's Pug, Crambus pascuella, Euzophera pinguis & Ephestia unicolorella ssp. woodiella (probably).
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Final set - Eudonia lacustrata, Ditula angustiorana, Lobesia littoralis, Hedya salicella & Agapeta hamana.
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Pics of Heart & Club, John? I've only ever seen one and needed expert help for that.
Here we go:-
1. Heart and Club dorsal view - tends to be more heavily marked than Heart and Dart and more intricate but variable
2. Heart and Club forehead view - the double M look without the dark forehead band
3. Heart and Dart forehead view - classic dark forehead band which can wear but not normally totally disappear
4. Turnip forehead - closer to Heart and Club - plainer without the dark foreead
5. Turnip dorsal view - it does make you think about Heart and Club but narrow pale fringe

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Trapped again last night despite a bit of light rain forecast. Trap wet this morning but moths in it:

18 Heart and Dart
2 Heart and Club
1 Setaceous Hebrew Character
1 I haven't fully identified, thinking maybe Campion at the minute. Possibly in ID forum later. Edit: Lychnis, now I've read the text and looked again. Photo later.
1 Pine Hawk-moth currently in the fridge for when Maz wakes up, NFY, possibly NFG, moth of the day!

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No need to read the text.
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Two more Heart and Clubs to show a bit of variation. They can be horrible looking things, but the forehead does help. Also this morning's Pine Hawk-moth.

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Edit: added the Lychnis as promised. Overlooked doing so earlier, sorry.
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Particular thanks to Paul for taking time out to do that. Could be scope there for a gap in the market in terms of some sort of ID book along the lines of, say for example, the MacMillan Guide to Birds, but with photos? You don't want to cover all species, just those pairs/groups that give a low-level moth-er like me a leg-up to the next level. What you just did there and what Andy did with the Lychnis/Campion seems quite ground-breaking to me. I know there's stuff out there on the Web that does that kind of thing, but it would be nice to have it all in one place, and in paperback for pleasurable thumbing through.

Though not into micros myself, Paul, your line-up there does make them look rather more accessible and attractive. I know others beg to differ, but I would need to see English names for them adopted more widely just for the poetic quality my right brain requires for me to fully engage.
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Here we go:-
1. Heart and Club dorsal view - tends to be more heavily marked than Heart and Dart and more intricate but variable
2. Heart and Club forehead view - the double M look without the dark forehead band
3. Heart and Dart forehead view - classic dark forehead band which can wear but not normally totally disappear
4. Turnip forehead - closer to Heart and Club - plainer without the dark foreead
5. Turnip dorsal view - it does make you think about Heart and Club but narrow pale fringe

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Paul,
pic 2 is a very worn individual and there is a suggestion of a dark area which may have worn away or is it the light?
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My highest numbers to date last night, 50 macros of 23 species. Common Marbled Carpet and Heart & Dart still slugging it out for most numerous species, and as predicted Large Yellow Underwing (three of) made a repeat appearance. Other trios were provided by Garden Carpet, Willow Beauty, Bright-line Brown-eye and, new species for the garden, Setaceous Hebrew Character. Other garden ticks were (two) Riband Wave, Common Rustic agg., Turnip & Herald. Silver Y was new for the year, one of only 4 species I'd had in the garden prior to this year!

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Decent total number of moths last night, 64 - buoyed up as usual by 46 Heart and Darts! Other than that 4 Vines Rustics and two each of Dark Arches, Heart and Club, Shuttle-shaped Dart and Small Magpie.

Common Wave was NFY.

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Britseye - I have often wondered about the same thing. I discussed it with Sean Clancy and he referred me to various articles in Atropos etc as well as the Difficult Species Guide that contains various gendet illustrations and features.

Andy - it is the same individual as in photo one & fresh. A hint of a dark line can be seen but not the strong black marking in fresh Heart and Dart which would never show the strongly bipectinate antennae in photo two.

Good links here:-

https://britishlepidoptera.weebly.co...art--club.html

https://britishlepidoptera.weebly.co...art--dart.html

https://britishlepidoptera.weebly.co...rnip-moth.html

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Jump from 64 to 81 individuals of 11 species this morning, the ever-popular Heart and Darts leading the field with 57. Dark Arches with 4 the best of the rest.

The day's honours were however run away with by my first Elephant Hawk-moth of the year, with Small Blood Vein also NFY and rather to my surprise a photo-tick.

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