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Old Sunday 3rd May 2020, 10:40   #1
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May/June Moths

A slight improvement today on the last couple of mornings: six moths, one of each species in the trap. Mullein was a tick, hurrah!

Brimstone Moth
Pale Tussock
Lesser Swallow Prominent
Mullein (tick!)
Nut-tree Tussock
Shuttle-shaped Dart

Overcast this morning and a good bit warmer than recently.

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Old Sunday 3rd May 2020, 11:56   #2
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After a blank night on the 1st I managed five moths last night/this morning
3 LBAM
1 Muslin
1 Clouded Drab (NFY, #26)
Tonight looks a bit more promising.
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Old Monday 4th May 2020, 07:05   #3
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13 moths of 9 species in the trap this morning, a distinct improvement.

Garden Carpet new for the year but unfortunately flew off as I removed the cover so the first species not to be (yet) photographed this year; 4 Shuttle-shaped Darts, otherwise highlights (to me anyway) Pale Tussock (actually on a window, not in the trap), another Lesser Swallow Prominent and another Red-green Carpet.

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Old Monday 4th May 2020, 10:36   #4
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Not as much as I expected but it had gone a bit chilly and there was a slight mizzle in the air.

LBAM 5
Muslin 1
Ruby Tiger 1 (NFY)
Swallow Prominent 1 (NFY and my first for at least three years)
Mullein 1 (NFY and a lifer to boot)

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Old Monday 4th May 2020, 10:43   #5
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Not as much as I expected but it had gone a bit chilly and there was a slight mizzle in the air.

LBAM 5
Muslin 1
Ruby Tiger 1 (NFY)
Swallow Prominent 1 (NFY and my first for at least three years)
Mullein 1 (NFY and a lifer to boot)

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Good stuff! Excuse my Monday morning slowness: what is LBAM?

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Old Monday 4th May 2020, 17:37   #6
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Good stuff! Excuse my Monday morning slowness: what is LBAM?

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Light Brown Apple Moth = Epiphyas postvittana

LBAM saves a lot of time.

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Old Monday 4th May 2020, 18:14   #7
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These are from the 2nd May.

Brimstone Moth
7 Muslin Moth
Waved Umber NFG
2 Poplar Hawkmoth
2 Treble Lines
Brindled Pug
Clouded-bordered Brindle

I'll try again tonight but it's still quite cool overnight.
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Light Brown Apple Moth = Epiphyas postvittana

LBAM saves a lot of time.

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Not when people are trying to think of a Macro it doesn't!
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Not when people are trying to think of a Macro it doesn't!
It's an abbreviation virtually all the moth sites uses so I would expect most people who are into moths would know what it stands for.
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It's an abbreviation virtually all the moth sites uses so I would expect most people who are into moths would know what it stands for.
Which sites?

I don't use moth sites at all really unless someone sends me a link to something and at least one other here, didn't know what it meant.
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I agree with Andy, as a very amateur back-garden moth trapper I don't spend a lot of time on any moth site: and as someone who ignores micros I have no idea about the names of even the ones that have names. LBAM completely threw me: LYUW wouldn't because that's what I write myself, but I reduced it to that for my own convenience, I didn't adopt a moth site abbreviation.

This year really is the first one that I've even joined in mothing on BF, and I spend a lot of time on there!

Anyway, I think a bit of wind (outside) kept the moths down last night, just three in the trap: Pale Tussock, Nut-tree Tussock and, inevitably, a Shuttle-shaped Dart, currently "boring moth of the moment".

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I agree with Andy, as a very amateur back-garden moth trapper I don't spend a lot of time on any moth site: and as someone who ignores micros I have no idea about the names of even the ones that have names. LBAM completely threw me: LYUW wouldn't because that's what I write myself, but I reduced it to that for my own convenience, I didn't adopt a moth site abbreviation.

This year really is the first one that I've even joined in mothing on BF, and I spend a lot of time on there!

Anyway, I think a bit of wind (outside) kept the moths down last night, just three in the trap: Pale Tussock, Nut-tree Tussock and, inevitably, a Shuttle-shaped Dart, currently "boring moth of the moment".

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Still not getting anything here due to cold and wind at night.
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I see where you are coming from but you could have chosen a better example than LYUW. Large, Lesser, or Least?

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Which sites?

I don't use moth sites at all really unless someone sends me a link to something and at least one other here, didn't know what it meant.
I've regularly sen it on the sightings page of Dorset Moths Group, & in Facebook pages where people post their catches. on MothsUK & Lepidoptera/Odonata.

Accept if one isn't in the know abbreviations can be frustrating but no different to somebody fairly new to birding wondering what a gr'opper is.

Can see why mothers don't want to write out the full name for LBAM as it's a lot of hassle for a ubiquitous moth. I'm not so knowledgeable about micros so I sometimes get frustrated when the genus is given just as a single letter if I'm not familiar with the specific name. For example one recorder on the Dorset site has posted P. filicivora which I know but didn't know what E. maculicerusella is.
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I see where you are coming from but you could have chosen a better example than LYUW. Large, Lesser, or Least?

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Very fair point as I get a lot of both of the first two!

Least not so much, sadly....

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I've regularly sen it on the sightings page of Dorset Moths Group, & in Facebook pages where people post their catches. on MothsUK & Lepidoptera/Odonata.

Accept if one isn't in the know abbreviations can be frustrating but no different to somebody fairly new to birding wondering what a gr'opper is.

Can see why mothers don't want to write out the full name for LBAM as it's a lot of hassle for a ubiquitous moth. I'm not so knowledgeable about micros so I sometimes get frustrated when the genus is given just as a single letter if I'm not familiar with the specific name. For example one recorder on the Dorset site has posted P. filicivora which I know but didn't know what E. maculicerusella is.
I have no reason to look at those sites, neither do many others who are in different parts of the UK and I think it's a bit aloof, to suggest that 'most people' in to moths will have know what it meant. Added to this, many 'mothers' don't bother with micros, even our county recorder doesn't unless it's something a bit special.

My abbreviation for 'LBAM' if I have to write it is simply 'Ap Moth' if I need to write it but I don't bother recording them as I only submit macro records.

When it comes to what I catch personally and Notts generally, I'm as 'in the know' as I need to be.
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I see where you are coming from but you could have chosen a better example than LYUW. Large, Lesser, or Least?

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It's surely dependant on what species are regular at your site and what time of year it is, you will be familiar with your own abbreviations but making them public changes things a bit. I've never had Least.
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Heart and Dart new for year last night.

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Absolutely nothing this morning, clear night, big moon, low temperature, windy start.

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I don't spend a lot of time on any moth site:
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Not that I do, too, John, but your own county's site is particularly good and even while I was in Cornwall, I utilised their illustrated 'flying tonight' section repeatedly just to give an idea what was on the wing.

My only chance of seeing any moths at all at all at the moment is in the well-lit underpass round the back of my ma's house in N-E England. After six blank visits in the past month, finally got my first moth of the year in the form of a Streamer last night. Only the third one I've seen.

(I rarely write moth names down myself, but if I were to quantify the time it took to recognise what the unfamiliar abbreviation LBAM meant, I'd say 0.18 seconds )
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Not that I do, too, John, but your own county's site is particularly good and even while I was in Cornwall, I utilised their illustrated 'flying tonight' section repeatedly just to give an idea what was on the wing.

My only chance of seeing any moths at all at all at the moment is in the well-lit underpass round the back of my ma's house in N-E England. After six blank visits in the past month, finally got my first moth of the year in the form of a Streamer last night. Only the third one I've seen.

(I rarely write moth names down myself, but if I were to quantify the time it took to recognise what the unfamiliar abbreviation LBAM meant, I'd say 0.18 seconds )
I look at Hants Moths Flying Tonight when I can't ID a moth from the field guide - often the thumbnail photos enlarge into something close, and the numbers column helps with judging likelihood. I say often, I probably check half a dozen moths a year. It's a resource, but I don't spend more time on it than I need to.

I need Streamer!

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I look at Hants Moths Flying Tonight when I can't ID a moth from the field guide - often the thumbnail photos enlarge into something close, and the numbers column helps with judging likelihood. I say often, I probably check half a dozen moths a year. It's a resource, but I don't spend more time on it than I need to.

I need Streamer!

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Catching up on May:-

May 1st - two moths of two species with nothing new for the year.

May 2nd - a better night with nine moths of nine species with the highlight being Chocolate-tip.

May 3rd- only two moths of two species but Eyed Hawkmoth was new for the year.

May 4th - back to two moths of two species.

May 5th - seven moths of six species including Knot Grass and Buff-tip new for the year.

Elsewhere on the patch, a friend picked up a Netted Pug last night - at least five previous patch records but all nearer rockier coastline than my garden!

Pics - two Treble Lines; Pale Tussock; Muslin Moth; & Knot Grass.

All the best

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A few more pics from May to date - Buff-tip x 2; Chocolate-tip; Eyed Hawkmoth; & Netted Pug.

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A few more pics from May to date - Buff-tip x 2; Chocolate-tip; Eyed Hawkmoth; & Netted Pug.

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Eyed Hawk-moth = gorgeous!

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