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Old Thursday 11th June 2020, 08:21   #1
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Dusky Brocade

Anyone confirm this for me.

It's a moth that I constantly struggle to ID despite it being common.
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Could it be Dark Arches???
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Could it be Dark Arches???
Thanks Rosarai,
I'd expect the 'W' stretch to reach the wing edge and the pale 'saddle' is usually very prominent in DA?

You see why I have problems!
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You’ll certainly need more expert opinion Andy, but fwiw my money is on Dark Arches on this one, having read the “tea leaves”.
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You’ll certainly need more expert opinion Andy, but fwiw my money is on Dark Arches on this one, having read the “tea leaves”.
I hate these damned things!

Thanks chaps, I think you're both right.

Edit: See the first image at this link.

https://www.naturespot.org.uk/species/dusky-brocade
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I've had problems in the past and I gave it twenty minutes on Google Images today to try and find out once and for all what the differences are. I gave up. I find them impossible. I'm not sure Rosaria was saying you definitely have a Dark Arches there, Andy? It looks more of an open question to me? (But if memory serves, I "think" she might not be a chap, so you could be in hot water there?)
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I'd say one of the differences is that the 'W' on the Dark Arches starts and ends with a sharp point whereas the Dusky Brocade has a straighter lead in and ending. Also the 'saddle area' is less well defined on the Dark Arches.

For me, the 4th image on the Nature Spot link, 19 July 2006, could well be a Dark Arches and not a Dusky Brocade.
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I'd say one of the differences is that the 'W' on the Dark Arches starts and ends with a sharp point whereas the Dusky Brocade has a straighter lead in and ending. Also the 'saddle area' is less well defined on the Dark Arches.

For me, the 4th image on the Nature Spot link, 19 July 2006, could well be a Dark Arches and not a Dusky Brocade.
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Thanks Rosaria, and you know, none was meant!

From the text in Waring, the dark lines either side of the thorax which form a V, are diagnostic and clearly eveident on mine, why didn't I already know that!
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