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Old Saturday 28th September 2019, 22:22   #26
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Had a look at the suggestions and the Sigms 100-400 looks a contender in both price and size. Looks a bit more of a carry around lens than the Tammy (but with the obvious limitations) I presume Iíll get good results using the in-camera crop mode with this? What equivalent zoom will I get using the crop mode?
Not much gain in reach over the 70-300mm you already have.

In body crop mode doesn't gain anything that a crop later in post processing would get out of the full size file. One saves a bit of space on the memory card using in body crop, but with today's card sizes and prices that is not much of an issue.
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Not that ime suggesting it but i got some good results with the sigma 100-400 and 1.4tc
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Old Sunday 6th October 2019, 07:40   #29
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Not that ime suggesting it but i got some good results with the sigma 100-400 and 1.4tc
That’s a great shot, Mike!

I’m drifting towards a more manageable length of lens ie. the Sigma or Tamron 100-400, possibly with a tc, or even busting the one-grand ceiling with the Nikon 80-400.

We’ve just booked a Wildlife Cruise to the Danube Delta next April so a longer lens is going to be a must. Lots and lots of time to change my mind over and over and...
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Thatís a great shot, Mike!

Iím drifting towards a more manageable length of lens ie. the Sigma or Tamron 100-400, possibly with a tc, or even busting the one-grand ceiling with the Nikon 80-400.

Weíve just booked a Wildlife Cruise to the Danube Delta next April so a longer lens is going to be a must. Lots and lots of time to change my mind over and over and...
Give serious thought before buying the Nikon, lots say its not worth the extra money.
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Give serious thought before buying the Nikon, lots say its not worth the extra money.
Thanks Mike. Do you know if you can get a Nikon tc for the Tamron 100-400?
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Thanks Mike. Do you know if you can get a Nikon tc for the Tamron 100-400?
Tamron or Sigma you most likely would be better with their own, i would check though that the D7200 would be able to focus it with a converter, i was using a D500 and i think you would be OK with the center point.
The D7200 does crop well so a converter may not be needed that much.
Obviously, a 150-600 would be better if you don't mind the bulk.
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Thanks Mike. Do you know if you can get a Nikon tc for the Tamron 100-400?
This can't be done. Nikon has engineered their teleconverters to only work with their own lenses. I think I've read somewhere that you can shave off some part of the teleconverter to get it to mount with third party lenses, but then you may still have issues with the electronics not working together.
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This can't be done. Nikon has engineered their teleconverters to only work with their own lenses. I think I've read somewhere that you can shave off some part of the teleconverter to get it to mount with third party lenses, but then you may still have issues with the electronics not working together.
Sorry, I meant a Nikon fit tc. Just a question of do Tamron do one for the lens?

All the video reviews I see say that itís a full frame lens but I assume it will work on DX bodies like my D7200?
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What the ! Why on earth would you want to put a TC on an f6.3 lens ? It's no substitute for a natively longer lens. AF if it works at all (Centre point only) is likely to be glacial. It's a bit like the blonde leading the blind ! Far better to jump into one camp or the other with both feet ...




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What the ! Why on earth would you want to put a TC on an f6.3 lens ? It's no substitute for a natively longer lens. AF if it works at all (Centre point only) is likely to be glacial. It's a bit like the blonde leading the blind ! Far better to jump into one camp or the other with both feet ...




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Kindly climb out of my throat and draw a breath! You are an expert, I am not. Read the previous post, I meant a Tamron tc with a Nikon fit (I just didnít express it very well).

I thought that a 100-400 comparatively small lens with a 1.4tc could be a more palatable (and economic) alternative to a much bigger lens like the Nikon 200-500. If the science doesnít work like that then Iíve got more knowledgeable people, like you, to disabuse me of the notion.
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Kindly climb out of my throat and draw a breath! You are an expert, I am not. Read the previous post, I meant a Tamron tc with a Nikon fit (I just didnít express it very well).

I thought that a 100-400 comparatively small lens with a 1.4tc could be a more palatable (and economic) alternative to a much bigger lens like the Nikon 200-500. If the science doesnít work like that then Iíve got more knowledgeable people, like you, to disabuse me of the notion.
Lol - only if you draw two ! :)
Such things are 'possible', but hardly desirable. Even f6.3 can chug away in low light.
People have just been repeating themselves and each other on this thread but the answers remain the same - there really is no magic bullet to your quandary. There are pretty much just 5 choices worth considering in your budget (in the order I would choose):
Tamron G2 150-600 f6.3 , 2010g , 258mm long , 2.2m min.focus , £1129 {See post#28 - Musoman's still available for £695}
Nikon 200-500 f5.6 , 2300g , 268mm long , 2.2m min.focus , £1019
Sigma C 150-600 f6.3 , 1940g , 260mm long , 2.8m min.focus , £779
Sigma 100-400 f6.3 , 1160g , 182mm long , 1.6m min.focus , £689
Tamron 100-400 f6.3 , 1135g , 199mm long , 1.5m min.focus , £659

You can paranalyse yourself round the bend - best bet is to at least get these in the hand (preferably on the D7200) to see how they handle /shoot, and what they are like to carry. Throw a blanket (large picnic style) over the performance of all of them. Costs are also within a ballpark (depending on deals). It will come down to which one you prefer to handle /operate, and/or get a deal on. The end. Practice with any of them will serve you better than wondering if another choice will be better (as it does for all of us :).

No doubt you will get better bird photos with any of these than you do now, and also no doubt you will run into limitations in certain circumstances where you will want more reach (you can sometimes dodgy that a bit with a 1.4xTC though not without compromises - IQ, AF, and mostly needing very good light, more co-operative subjects, with tripod and/or timer assistance. Use whatever brand lens you get matching TC), and more speed (only available for $$$$). Good luck!




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Old Sunday 6th October 2019, 21:31   #38
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There are 3rd party 1.4x TCs that will work, such as one that Tamron sells. But, the TC is a magnifier and it will magnify all the imperfections of a lens. It also cuts out 1/2 the light! So an f/6.3 becomes an f/9. Apart from high-end lenses, I do not use a TC -- I find cropping gives better results.

I agree with the list Chosun just posted and I agree with the ordering.

I understand that you said you saw some reviews that don't recommend the G2, but I have to disagree. It's a great lens for the price and size. Maybe the reviewers got a bad sample, that does happen.

The only way to get lighter or longer is to (1) spend way more money, or (2) go micro-4/3 (which will be more expensive too).

The 80-400 AF-S VR is a big, expensive, heavy lens. For birding, I think a 150-600 is better suited for that amount of money and weight.

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Thanks to all contributors for your welcome advice. It’s a bit difficult to get access to lenses to try out, but not impossible.

I’ll keep on with the 70-300 to get used to the camera modes and different settings and try to get a look at some of the lenses mentioned.

Still keeping an open mind, so expect more many more musings and questions before money and glass change hands!
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Went to Jessops to have a look at the Nikon 200-500 and the Tammy 150-600. They had both lenses but not a “trial body” to put them on as it was out on loan and guess who hadn’t taken his camera body along?

Both are hefty lumps and I guess a look through them will have to wait a couple of days until I go back with my camera body.

Couldn’t judge anything from hefting them apart from the fact the Nikon is a bit heavier.

What’s the “VR jump” that some people report with the Tammy?
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Went to Jessops to have a look at the Nikon 200-500 and the Tammy 150-600. They had both lenses but not a ďtrial bodyĒ to put them on as it was out on loan and guess who hadnít taken his camera body along?

Both are hefty lumps and I guess a look through them will have to wait a couple of days until I go back with my camera body.

Couldnít judge anything from hefting them apart from the fact the Nikon is a bit heavier.

Whatís the ďVR jumpĒ that some people report with the Tammy?
Could be seeing the VR snap the image into steady ?
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Could be seeing the VR snap the image into steady ?
Sounds like it. Is it annoying or distracting?
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Sounds like it. Is it annoying or distracting?
I found it comforting and reassuring
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Could be seeing the VR snap the image into steady ?
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Sounds like it. Is it annoying or distracting?
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Haha - yes! Reassuring to know it's still there, as it's pretty much undetectable otherwise.

Apodidae, At the risk of repeating myself ...... it only does it sometimes ..... it's probably something to do with limits of the system's correction capability, and the particular frequency and amplitude of the movement at the time - just part of normal operations (I'd be surprised if all Image Stabilization systems didn't show something similar - effectively resetting).

I don't know whether the system computes any variation depending on the shutter speed settings, or if it just operates in response to the particular shake input - I doubt Tamron would disclose the proprietary operating system - just be thankful it works. For me I find a particular sweet spot at 1/400th sec which is pretty insane for 1200mm :)

(you'll see for yourself when you hook it up to the D7200 to test out).




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Went back to Jessops with D7200 body to test out the two lenses and, Sodís Law being what it is, the Tamron was a Canon mount and they didnít have a Nikon mount.

Anyhoo, onto the camera went the Nikon 200-500 and very nice, and well-balanced, it felt too.

Didnít mess much with the camera settings for a test, just left it on the settings Iíd used last. Aperture Priority (wide open) ISO 400, CH shutter release, AF-C Single Point and switched the lens VR on.

To my untutored eye the results look okay and the VR slips into operation very smoothly.

Took a few (50+) photos mostly at 200mm & 500mm and Iím pleased with the results and very impressed with the ergonomics, build and ease of use of the lens. As itís a native lens, I may not bother trying out the Tammy (assuming I could get hold of one to try)
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Few more shots with the Nikon 200-500...
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All VR systems can jump the image around in the viewfinder frame-to-frame. Some lenses have VR modes that smooth it out to make it less jumpy. I am not really bothered by VR jump when I see it (which is rare). I do not think it is particularly an issue on the Tammy. Some lenses have a VR mode that is on while 1/2 depressed on the shutter to smooth out the VF, and I'm not sure if the jumping issue you mentioned is related to trying to use that mode.

If you like the 200-500 f/5.6, it's a nice lens and has very good center sharpness, which on a DX sensor means pretty good edge-to-edge sharpness. And the f/5.6 lets in 1/3 stop more light. But you lose that last 100mm, which is a bit noticeable. That last 100mm will actually be 150mm (DX mode) or 200mm (DX at 1.3 crop).

I use the 500mm f/5.6 prime and while I do miss that last 100mm, I have enough pixels on the d850 to crop my way into it and the prime has excellent image quality that holds up to major cropping.

If they have a canon 7dmii loaner, you could try the lens there, though it would be a little difficult to compare.

I think functionally, the two things to look at is the number of turns it takes to zoom and the f/5.6 vs f/6.3. If I remember correctly, the 200-500 takes a lot of turns to zoom and the Tammy is quicker. But I rarely zoom, so that is not much of an issue for me.
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I was reading a review the other day which compared Tammy A011, and G2, the Niki, and Sigma C, and Sports (150-600). The G2 actually came out on top for centre and near centre sharpness at 600mm, and also at 500mm. At 600mm the Sigma Sports only edged ahead for full frame edge sharpness (which is irrelevant on a crop body), and the Niki only managed to pull slightly ahead of the G2 over the range 200-400mm.

https://www.cameralabs.com/tamron-sp...usd-g2-review/

Very interesting that the Tammy G2 knocked the Niki off at 500mm as the Niki is widely regarded as a sharp lens and great value for money (if a little heavier ~300grams than the rest - except the Sigma Sports, which at 2.7~2.86kg is not on too many lists for handholding).



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Thanks Marc and Chosun, I’m still interested in the Tammy if I can get one to try out on my D7200. As far as zooming goes, I think the Nikon zoomed fully in less than 180degrees but I wasn’t really concentrating on that. I’ll have a look at that link you posted and put it into the melting pot with all the other reviews and YouTube videos.

It was actually just nice to finally, physically handle a lens and get it on the camera body.

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