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ody

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• Jan 26, 2020

• #1

Which Wheatear ...Israel

 

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MANOS_SKG

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• Jan 26, 2020

• #2

Thanks for posting these Ody!
Guys these are mine. All different birds. All in Negev. I think the last two, might be Oenanthe deserti?

 

KenM

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• Jan 26, 2020

• #3

Why not Kurdish for the last two images?

Cheers

 

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MANOS_SKG

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• Jan 26, 2020

• #4

KenM said:

Why not Kurdish for the last two images?

Cheers

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They all look the same to me at that age TBH. Do they live in Israel??

 

Jean FRANCOIS

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• Jan 26, 2020

• #5

ody said:

Which Wheatear ...Israel

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The author suggests a single bird.
But he forgot to give the date, that would have been very helpful.
Jean

 

Andy Adcock

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• Jan 26, 2020

• #6

Looks like Black-eared to me?

 

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andyb39

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• Jan 27, 2020

• #7

andyadcock said:

Looks like Black-eared to me?

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The first two, yes - it looks like the same bird to me. I think the other two are as well.

 

SJC

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• Jan 27, 2020

• #8

All look like Black-eared to me too

 

Steve Arlow

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• Jan 27, 2020

• #9

Just been watching in the past week multiple Desert Wheatears in southern Israel as well as seeing the Kurdish there and this would fit Black-eared Wheatear for me

 

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MANOS_SKG

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• Jan 27, 2020

• #10

Hi there. The author has posted those on my behalf. I am the photographer.

All birds are different individuals (I know as I photographed them). They are all taken in East Negev next to the Jordanian border in early April 2019.

Thanks!

 

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Muppit17

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• Jan 27, 2020

• #11

The pale vent and tail base rules out Kurdish. I agree that the last two look like Eastern Black-eared. The first two seem paler on the shoulders and could be Desert. This would have been simple to distinguish in the field as the tail pattern is so different.

 

KenM

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• Jan 27, 2020

• #12

Muppit17 said:

The pale vent and tail base rules out Kurdish. I agree that the last two look like Eastern Black-eared. The first two seem paler on the shoulders and could be Desert. This would have been simple to distinguish in the field as the tail pattern is so different.

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Having trawled the web looking at BEW and KW. I find that the latter is more likely to have a warm buff wash to the flanks and lower belly with the former being mostly white in these areas, also KW often shows a white tail base to a greater or lesser extent and by the same token varying amounts of warm buff wash.

 

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Muppit17

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• Jan 29, 2020

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KenM said:

Having trawled the web looking at BEW and KW. I find that the latter is more likely to have a warm buff wash to the flanks and lower belly with the former being mostly white in these areas, also KW often shows a white tail base to a greater or lesser extent and by the same token varying amounts of warm buff wash.

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Ken

I agree that the tail of KW is a classic T-pattern, black and white in males. However both vent and rump is coloured. It was of course called Red-tailed Wheatear until the split of Persian from KW. The plumage suggests that this is a male, albeit not fully mature. This means that this would be evident if this was a KW. I would stick to EBEW, having seen these species in Israel.

Of course it does mean that it is, nor that the pictures on the web are properly labelled.

What is clear is that this is the simplest of things to determine in the field. EBEW shows a very broken t-bar, KW a classic t-bar and Desert a fully black tail. Relying on Photos is making this far more complex.