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Old Friday 15th March 2019, 06:57   #1
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Monterey County, California

Hello!

Please help me identify a few birds from Monterey County, California. All photographed in July

1-3 Different birds. All House Finches?
4 ?
5 ? Have a few very similar photos of this hawk hidden by branches. They didn't add much information

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Old Friday 15th March 2019, 12:28   #2
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Agree with House Finch for 1-3; 4 is one of the bunting species, maybe Lazuli Bunting? I think 5 is a Red-shouldered.
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I'm more inclined to think Purple Finch for # 2
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Old Friday 15th March 2019, 12:35   #4
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I'm more inclined to think Purple Finch for # 2
Actually 3 is a female Purple Finch too.
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Actually 3 is a female Purple Finch too.
I thought it might be but having never seen a female Purple Finch at this early stage of growth I couldn't decide.
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Old Friday 15th March 2019, 17:20   #6
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... I think 5 is a Red-shouldered.
I'm certain it is.
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I think 1 & 3 are House Finches (lack strong face pattern and have extensively streaked undertail coverts). 2 is a Purple Finch. 4 is a California Towhee. 5 is Red-shouldered Hawk.
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Old Friday 15th March 2019, 21:27   #8
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I think 1 & 3 are House Finches (lack strong face pattern and have extensively streaked undertail coverts). 2 is a Purple Finch. 4 is a California Towhee. 5 is Red-shouldered Hawk.
I agree with Joe.
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Old Friday 15th March 2019, 22:06   #9
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I'd say 1 and 3 are Purple Finches because of the hint of a pale eyebrow, short and thinner streaks on the underside, raised crest, and less-rounded beak.
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I'd say 1 and 3 are Purple Finches because of the hint of a pale eyebrow, short and thinner streaks on the underside, raised crest, and less-rounded beak.
In 3 I definitely see the pale eyebrow and am fairly sure it’s a Purple, less clear in 1.
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I agree with jmorlan and Jeff on House Finch for #1 and #3. Also, the curved culmen in #1 points to House Finch. Neither of the birds seems to have a week pale crescent below the eye which the 2nd edition Sibley illustrates for Purple Finch.
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Thank you, everyone!
On #4 - to me it doesn't look either a Lazuli Bunting or a California Towhee
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I don't think I've seen a House Finch raise its crest like that. I am confident 1 and 3 are Purples.

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Strictly speaking of picture 3 of the original post, I am posting a picture of a female Purple Finch I took for comparison. I really think the facial pattern in the OP #3 is similar and would call it Purple Finch.

The angle in #1 makes it a little harder to see, but I am leaning toward Purple as well.
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Nice photo of Purple Finch showing the unstreaked undertail coverts. Juv. House Finches have a narrow pale supercilium. Tail of #4 is quite long. Proportions and lack of dorsal streaking eliminate any typical finches and I think are a good fit for California Towhee which I see every day in my yard.
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And here are some nice photos of Purple Finches in California with streaked undertail coverts.
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/145745931
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/144467791
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/27870211
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/30044281

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Not sure if it will help - the only other photos of #1 and #3 that I have
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About half of the female California Purple Finches (Haemorhous purpureus californicus) will show some (usually limited) undertail streaking regardless of age whereas all House Finches show extensive undertail streaking. The narrow supercilium shown by birds #1 & #3 are rather faint and marked by internal brown streaking typical of juvenile House Finch. These juvenile markings are called "stipes." On Purple Finch the supercilium is usually broader and lacks obvious internal streaking.

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/House_Finch/id
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/...owser/63736721

Another difference is the bold white malar with contrasting lateral throat stripes that Purple Finch show and which are obsolete on House Finch.

https://www.sibleyguides.com/wp-cont..._Sib-Birds.jpg
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