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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 02:06   #26
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My dealer wrote me to suggest cancelling my order of the Trinovid 7x35 and that's what I did. Poor style of Leica to announce a new product at such an immature stage. Poor business decision as well, the enthusiasm and momentum generated by the announcement of these binoculars seems gone.
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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 08:01   #27
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My dealer wrote me to suggest cancelling my order of the Trinovid 7x35 and that's what I did. Poor style of Leica to announce a new product at such an immature stage. Poor business decision as well, the enthusiasm and momentum generated by the announcement of these binoculars seems gone.
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Do you know if your Leica dealer suggested this because he was informed it won't come or is it because it takes so long?

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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 09:50   #28
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Do you know if your Leica dealer suggested this because he was informed it won't come or is it because it takes so long?Jan
Jan, according to my dealer, Leica "indicated it could be several months before they are able to supply." They were unable to provide an acurate ETA.

Meanwhile, I ordered a Nikon 8x30 EII.
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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 12:26   #29
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flatfield, post 28,
The Nikon EII is not waterproof, I mention it since many on this forum used loads of words to stress that the new Trinovids should/must be waterproof otherwise........disaster.
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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 21:30   #30
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I know, Gijs. It's pretty dry where I live, no problem. The EII will replace a Binuxit that is not waterproof either. The Binuxit was confiscated by my 5-year old son. But back to the Trinovid...
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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 22:01   #31
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... let's hope these outnumber those who are carping about waterproofing (of which how many ever get their binoculars wet enough that their full waterproofing - ie. ability to withstand immersion - is tested?).
And how well does that ability perform when tested anyway? The #1 finding of the Allbinos endurance comparison test (mentioned in a recent thread here) was that Ultravids leaked like sieves when fully immersed. Perhaps the carping is entirely pointless,and all that really counts is Leica's commitment to warranty repair/replacement.
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Old Tuesday 23rd January 2018, 22:26   #32
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And how well does that ability perform when tested anyway? The #1 finding of the Allbinos endurance comparison test (mentioned in a recent thread here) was that Ultravids leaked like sieves when fully immersed. Perhaps the carping is entirely pointless,and all that really counts is Leica's commitment to warranty repair/replacement.

I remember reading an article a few years ago by Terry Wieland, Shooting Editor of Gray's Sporting Journal, about how he tested binoculars for water proofing.

It seems that he tied them to a long length of heavy twine and threw them off a dock into 6 feet or so a water and left them there overnight. If they hadn't leaked by breakfast the next morning they passed the test.

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The Nikon EII is not waterproof, I mention it since many on this forum used loads of words to stress that the new Trinovids should/must be waterproof otherwise........disaster.
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Gijs:

I am not sure why you mentioned a Nikon binocular in this discussion,
as this is a Leica topic.

Those that would purchase a Nikon EII, are not concerned a bit about
waterproofness.

Tell us more about that.

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Old Wednesday 24th January 2018, 23:29   #34
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For those wondering, I suppose Leica will provide more information about the new Trinovid, when they are ready to.

It seems some on here are impatient, and I am not sure why.

Just relax.. it is just a new binocular..

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Old Thursday 25th January 2018, 06:50   #35
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Jerry, post 33,
The reason why, see post 28.
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Old Thursday 25th January 2018, 07:33   #36
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PS. Seriously, my contact works for Leica Camera's CS in Germany, and given my previous experience I have hardly any reason not to trust him.



A contact within Leica has confirmed that there has been no announcement that this project is cancelled but that it is clear that deliveries will be subject to delays, probably long delays.

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Old Thursday 25th January 2018, 15:23   #37
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The Leica rep at the Space Coast Birding Festival says that the retro Trinovids have been delayed indefinitely. He has not been told why.
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flatfield, post 28,
The Nikon EII is not waterproof, I mention it since many on this forum used loads of words to stress that the new Trinovids should/must be waterproof otherwise........disaster.
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Doug of Cameraland is currently attending the Shot Show in Las Vegas and has posted on another site that "The classic Trinovid has been delayed probably till years end". Sounds like it is still a possibility.

As a side note, he also said "There is no Noctivid 32 on the immediate horizon".

The IWA Outdoor Show starts March 9th, 2018 in Germany. Maybe some attendees can get more specific information then. Birdfair starts August 17th, 2018.
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Old Saturday 27th January 2018, 00:38   #40
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My brother recently dropped by Leica Mayfair and was (for what that's worth) told they would be in "in the latter half of the year". They are certainly being advertised - https://leicastore-mayfair.co.uk/collections/trinovids

I do wonder, incidentally, how prices of old Leitz Trinovids may, or may not, be affected once these appear. Will demand for the one ones fall now that you can get a classic Trinovid with phase-coated prisms and multi-coated lenses (albeit at considerably more than the old ones - expensive though they are - would cost), or do the buyers that want the Leitz models want those and those only?
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There's been a posting in the German forum that the retro Trinovids have been put back to autumn 2019 (!!!) due to a lack of manufacturing capacity: http://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/r...378#msg-438378

Well done, Leica.

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There's been a posting in the German forum that the retro Trinovids have been put back to autumn 2019 (!!!) due to a lack of manufacturing capacity: http://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/r...378#msg-438378

Well done, Leica.

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Mmmmm, getting informed via Forums.

Indeed, very well done Leica

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sounds to me like putting the best possible spin on it....
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Perhaps they will move production overseas and save $$.

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Danke schoen Hermann - very interesting discussion in that thread, especially the comments from Holger on the difficulty in reproducing the build quality of the Leitz versions, and that the 1960s era eyepieces, phase coating and improved light transmission notwithstanding, will not equal modern eyepieces in edge sharpness and correction of chromatic aberration. This Trinovid classic reissue is clearly a significantly more challenging project than most of us (and probably Leica themselves) initially thought - it'll be interesting to see what the final product, and its pricing, will be.

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Danke schoen Hermann - very interesting discussion in that thread, especially the comments from Holger on the difficulty in reproducing the build quality of the Leitz versions, and that the 1960s era eyepieces, phase coating and improved light transmission notwithstanding, will not equal modern eyepieces in edge sharpness and correction of chromatic aberration. This Trinovid classic reissue is clearly a significantly more challenging project than most of us (and probably Leica themselves) initially thought - it'll be interesting to see what the final product, and its pricing, will be.
Seems that the Leica retro design philosophy pushed things a bit too far this time.
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The Juelich forum discussion suggests that Leica used to have technicians that fine tuned the mechanicals, but that these skills were lost as the people retired.
Restarting the classic Trinovid line is consequently proving much more challenging. Hence the two year delay.
Unfortunately the meter keeps running even if there are no sales. Expect to pay more to repay these costs.
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The Juelich forum discussion suggests ...
Just for those who don't read German: The post suggesting the delay to 2019 is from the optics dealer who runs the forum, who says he got that info from Leica. The rest is speculation by the forum users...
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Just for those who don't read German: The post suggesting the delay to 2019 is from the optics dealer who runs the forum, who says he got that info from Leica. The rest is speculation by the forum users...
99% of all rumor is founded on fact.
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Seems to me that it is time for Leica/former Leitz to relocate their production facilities into one or two of the retirement homes in Wetzlar and the surrounding area to reactivate the old guy and gals from former times when the world was still in order.

Or to get one of the old Trinovids and only use them when it's not pouring rain outside.
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