Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Zeiss - Always on the lookout for something special – Shop now

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Honey Buzzards

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Thursday 12th September 2019, 12:25   #1
GeorginaEgypt
Registered User
 
GeorginaEgypt's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: El Gouna, Egypt
Posts: 316
Honey Buzzards

This poor quality photograph I took yesterday as around 40 Honey Buzzards migrated south over the Red Sea Coast of Egypt.

It is a juvenile but seems to have been through a shredder.

Any ideas as to why the wings are damaged please? Birding friends here seem to think it is gunshots over Europe?!?

Click image for larger version

Name:	Honey Buzzard Juvenile shredded 11.9.2019.jpg
Views:	142
Size:	177.3 KB
ID:	704648
__________________
(*)>………… ><)))*>
(U)
LL
http://www.kestrels.jimdosite.com/
GeorginaEgypt is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 12th September 2019, 12:31   #2
PYRTLE
Registered User
 
PYRTLE's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Norfolk
Posts: 6,388
The pattern of missing feathers seem to be identical on both wings and also the tail, my initial thought then being this is due to an active moult by the bird. Unusual to see this whilst on its migration - thankfully an individual that so far has escaped the guns throughout Europe and the Mediterranean.
PYRTLE is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 23rd September 2019, 06:26   #3
rollingthunder
Registered User
 
rollingthunder's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: stourbridge west midlands
Posts: 4,478
It is fairly even but then again so is the scatter of a decent shotgun - for me it looks like ‘flak’ damage. Fortunately the sound of shotguns here in Sakhalvasho, Georgia, has been mercifully reducing year on year due to enforced existing legislation, education and ecotourism but it is by and large a Christian country.....

Good birding -

Laurie
__________________
Chance favours the prepared mind
rollingthunder is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 23rd September 2019, 07:54   #4
Farnboro John
Registered User

 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Farnborough
Posts: 13,522
Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingthunder View Post
It is fairly even but then again so is the scatter of a decent shotgun - for me it looks like ‘flak’ damage.
Good birding -

Laurie
If a decent shotgun with an even pattern had caused the visible damage on both sides of the body of that Honey Buzzard it would have been Missing In Action.

I don't approve of shooting raptors either but come on. That bird is in moult.

John
Farnboro John is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 23rd September 2019, 19:06   #5
rollingthunder
Registered User
 
rollingthunder's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: stourbridge west midlands
Posts: 4,478
I have seen hundreds over the last few days none of which are missing a single feather so either it is an aberrant moulting individual , ill or with some sort of ectoparasite then something has caused that?

Laurie -
__________________
Chance favours the prepared mind
rollingthunder is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 23rd September 2019, 19:56   #6
crapbirder
Registered User

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: norfolk
Posts: 166
Re. Honey Buzzard.

Anyone else seen such a bird, just about every potential option on display for the state of the plumage.
crapbirder is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 24th September 2019, 06:24   #7
GeorginaEgypt
Registered User
 
GeorginaEgypt's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: El Gouna, Egypt
Posts: 316
Here is another (bad) photograph with a honey buzzard at the top with a gap in just one wing:

Click image for larger version

Name:	Honey Buzzard wing damage.jpg
Views:	61
Size:	36.1 KB
ID:	705702
__________________
(*)>………… ><)))*>
(U)
LL
http://www.kestrels.jimdosite.com/
GeorginaEgypt is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 25th September 2019, 01:07   #8
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
 
Nutcracker's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 18,975
Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingthunder View Post
I have seen hundreds over the last few days none of which are missing a single feather so either it is an aberrant moulting individual , ill or with some sort of ectoparasite then something has caused that?

Laurie -
Looks very pale to me - wonder if it is leucistic, with the leucism leading to reduced feather durability and faster wear?
Nutcracker is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 25th September 2019, 04:22   #9
rollingthunder
Registered User
 
rollingthunder's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: stourbridge west midlands
Posts: 4,478
Could be - seen loads yesterday not a feather moulting or missing on any of them.

I am not a moult expert but afaik raptors moult individual flight feathers so that they are able to feed and function whilst doing so unlike waterfowl that eclipse and warblers that have pre and post migration moult. To actively have a moult regime as suggested would almost lead to the bird having difficulty to either moult or migrate...

Laurie -
__________________
Chance favours the prepared mind
rollingthunder is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 25th September 2019, 06:43   #10
Farnboro John
Registered User

 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Farnborough
Posts: 13,522
Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingthunder View Post
Could be - seen loads yesterday not a feather moulting or missing on any of them.

I am not a moult expert but afaik raptors moult individual flight feathers so that they are able to feed and function whilst doing so unlike waterfowl that eclipse and warblers that have pre and post migration moult. To actively have a moult regime as suggested would almost lead to the bird having difficulty to either moult or migrate...

Laurie -
Looking again at the feathers a parasite snipping off barbs looks like a real possibility - those secondaries look defoliated, not twisted.

John
Farnboro John is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 2nd October 2019, 04:09   #11
Dimitris
Birdwatcher in Oz
 
Dimitris's Avatar

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NSW, Australia
Posts: 2,686
Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingthunder View Post
I have seen hundreds over the last few days none of which are missing a single feather so either it is an aberrant moulting individual , ill or with some sort of ectoparasite then something has caused that?

Laurie -
Having been to Georgia I too can confirm that this bird has been indeed shot. Georgians rifles and ammunition is often improvised and birds often 'escape' (to die later?) like this.
__________________
birding makes me feel sane in an insane world.
Dimitris is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 2nd October 2019, 07:27   #12
rollingthunder
Registered User
 
rollingthunder's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: stourbridge west midlands
Posts: 4,478
I disagree - a bird would have to be incredibly low and would almost certainly receive a fatal spray of pellets but i suppose we will never know...

Laurie
__________________
Chance favours the prepared mind
rollingthunder is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Honey Buzzards Leakey Birds Of Prey 55 Wednesday 21st August 2019 19:29
Honey buzzards Goldfynche Scotland 27 Wednesday 2nd August 2017 17:44
Honey Buzzards Nicedave Devon 8 Monday 28th June 2010 17:01
Honey Buzzards and Common Buzzards, Crete ColD Migration 2 Monday 22nd February 2010 12:12
Honey Buzzards Jeff Taylor Birds & Birding 2 Friday 3rd October 2003 01:44



Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.21105504 seconds with 27 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 17:38.