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Diederick's or African Emerald Cuckoo (1 Viewer)
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I believe it is juvenile Klaas's.
Emerald should not have white behind the eye and the throat should lack the impression of being barred on white as this bird has.
Andy Adcock
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I'd say it's an adult female African Emerald.
Andy Adcock
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The throat and upper breast are far too white for Klaas's?
It also looks too big for Klaas's and there are no white wing spot either.
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Andy
I'm using the Robert's Bird Guide second edition quoting about African Emerald:
'Juv poorly known and difficult to separate from juv Klaas's Cuckoo, but more heavily barred below with emerald, in partzicular undertail coverts are coarsely and heavily barred; always lacs white spot behind eye. In the hand, the barring on the crown is white (not buffy) and the lateral uppertail coverts (...)'
For juv Klaas's: 'extremely diffcult to separate from juv African Emerald but less copiously barred with emerald below, in particular undertail coverts largely white withonly a few, narrow chevrons markls; whit e mark behind ear sometimes evident.'
What do you mean by white wing spots?
I'm using the Robert's Bird Guide second edition quoting about African Emerald:
'Juv poorly known and difficult to separate from juv Klaas's Cuckoo, but more heavily barred below with emerald, in partzicular undertail coverts are coarsely and heavily barred; always lacs white spot behind eye. In the hand, the barring on the crown is white (not buffy) and the lateral uppertail coverts (...)'
For juv Klaas's: 'extremely diffcult to separate from juv African Emerald but less copiously barred with emerald below, in particular undertail coverts largely white withonly a few, narrow chevrons markls; whit e mark behind ear sometimes evident.'
What do you mean by white wing spots?
Andy Adcock
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I was confusing with Dideric.
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Andy Adcock
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Sorry, I'm confusing with Dideric.
I'll have a look at Roberts later but you'll agree that the underpart barring is green? Should be brown on Klaas's, the whole of the throat and upper breast, shouldn't be so white?
http://www.tanzaniabirds.net/African_birds/Cuckoo_Klaas/kc.htm
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My copy of Sinclair & Ryan states that juvenile Klaas's features a white post-ocular stripe whereas African Emerald does not, so I would say that clinches the ID of Klaas's.
There was a thread on a couple of similar birds a couple of years ago:
https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=354009&highlight=klaas's
There was a thread on a couple of similar birds a couple of years ago:
https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=354009&highlight=klaas's
Andy Adcock
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I still think the undeparts are all wrong for Klaas's, the whiteness and green barring which should be brown?
http://www.tanzaniabirds.net/African_birds/Cuckoo_Klaas/cuckoo_Klass_Monduli_VSchollaert_2010_07.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcell_claassen/6651732209
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Again according to Robert’s sec. ed. there are green plumaged juveniles and bronze plumaged juveniles, something I did not know so far
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Andy Adcock
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That seems to settle it!
Cheers for that Tom, I wasn't aware of this either.
I have a baby in one hand and mouse in the other, haven't had chance to look at Roberts.
Thanks for this, an interesting discussion. I've uploaded 2 more shots. The 1st is the same bird but a slightly different view. The 2nd bird was taken the following day but within 200 yards of the bird seen the previous day. Not sure if this confuses things even more but would you find the birds in the same habitat? The exif data should contain the GPS data but in case it doesn't, the 1st bird was 28°38'15.018" S 28°57'37.296" E and the 2nd bird was 28°38'9.954" S 28°57'42.474" E
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Andy Adcock
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Same bird?
Looks to have a browner throat and a reddish bill?
Last bird is Dideric.
Looks to have a browner throat and a reddish bill?
Last bird is Dideric.
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Thanks Andy, so looks like my original bird is Klaas's and the last is Dideric's and I've thrown a 3rd into the mix |^| Well it was shot in the same area 1.5min time difference so I presumed the same bird, but maybe not.
2 different birds in post #16
second bird is adult Diederic indeed with red eye and red eyering
first bird should be a juvenile Diederik but difficult picture as many important parts not visible