Pluvialidae, Oceanitidae, Passerellidae (1 Viewer)

Valéry Schollaert · Nov 12, 2014

Hi all,

Those 3 families have been split by John Boyd respectively from Charadriidae, Hydrobatidae and Emberizidae, generally from one genetic study each IFAIK

Where are we? Do we have confirmation of those choices, or not?

If nothing new, what is your advice? Do we have big chance finally we need to come back in usual classification or are you convinced it is just matter of time that others like IOC will follow those splits?

Thanks

Peter Kovalik · Nov 12, 2014

Valéry Schollaert said:
Hi all,

Those 3 families have been split by John Boyd respectively from Charadriidae, Hydrobatidae and Emberizidae, generally from one genetic study each IFAIK

Where are we? Do we have confirmation of those choices, or not?

If nothing new, what is your advice? Do we have big chance finally we need to come back in usual classification or are you convinced it is just matter of time that others like IOC will follow those splits?

Thanks

Hi Valéry,

Passerellidae and Oceanitidae are recognized by Howard & Moore 4 and Oceanitidae also by Lynx HBW/BL vol 1.

Valéry Schollaert · Nov 12, 2014

Thank you so much Peter!

do you think IOC will follow? Any idea why they don't?

Peter Kovalik · Nov 12, 2014

Valéry Schollaert said:
Thank you so much Peter!

do you think IOC will follow? Any idea why they don't?

This question should be directed to Frank Gill and David Donsker.

MJB · Nov 12, 2014

Peter Kovalik said:
This question should be directed to Frank Gill and David Donsker.

I think the bigger question is:

'Will IOC be examining all the family/genus/species/subspecies revisions in H&M4 Vols 1 & 2, and if so, has a timetable for that process been discussed?'

A number of H&M4 arrangements lag behind those already published by IOC (It should be noted that Ed Dickinson in Vol 1 preliminary matter concedes that many conclusions from published research omitted from H&M4 will probably be proved justified.) and more than a few taxonomic/sequence changes appear well in advance of IOC, all of which means that any IOC examination of H&M4 can't be a simple one, but one with many nuances.

Decisions from that examination and subsequent IOC list revisions are nevertheless awaited with interest...:t:
MJB

Valéry Schollaert · Nov 12, 2014

thanks guys, very helpful.

Mysticete · Nov 12, 2014

I think more work needs to be done regarding the placement of Pluvialidae and Oceanitidae. IIRC, not all molecular studies support those families as needing to be split to maintain the original families monophyly. The Emberizidae split however is from what I have seen pretty well supported.

Nutcracker · Nov 12, 2014

Valéry Schollaert said:
do you think IOC will follow? Any idea why they don't?

Of Pluvialidae, IOC comment:

The Pluvialis plovers are members of the traditional plover family Charadriidae (Baker et al 2012, cf Baker et al. 2007)

Baker et al., 2012: abstract.

Also followed by AOU, and presumably therefore also Clements.

Nutcracker · Nov 12, 2014

MJB said:
I think the bigger question is:

'Will IOC be examining all the family/genus/species/subspecies revisions in H&M4 Vols 1 & 2, and if so, has a timetable for that process been discussed?'

And the even bigger question is:

'When will IOC, H&M, Clements, and TiF all merge and cooperate together to produce a single list?'

Valéry Schollaert · Nov 12, 2014

'When will IOC, H&M, Clements, and TiF all merge and cooperate together to produce a single list?'

ha ha. I needed to publish a list for single Belgium, 440 species only, because I was teaching there. French, English, Scientific names + families, super familier, super species... Despite my committed attempt, we never managed to agree on a single list with bird association are rare bird committee... would be incredible to manage in a World level. But let's hope.

Peter Kovalik · Nov 16, 2014

Oceanitidae

Valéry Schollaert said:
Hi all,

Those 3 families have been split by John Boyd respectively from Charadriidae, Hydrobatidae and Emberizidae, generally from one genetic study each IFAIK

Where are we? Do we have confirmation of those choices, or not?

If nothing new, what is your advice? Do we have big chance finally we need to come back in usual classification or are you convinced it is just matter of time that others like IOC will follow those splits?

Thanks

IOC_5.1: Taxonomic Updates:

The Oceanitidae and Hydrobatidae are not sister taxa (Nunn & Stanley 1998; Penhallurick & Wink 2004, Hackett et al. 2008). Resequence to Oceanitidae, Diomedeidae, Hydrobatidae, Procellariidae.

Valéry Schollaert · Nov 16, 2014

Finally... thanks VERY MUCH Peter, very nice.

Peter Kovalik · Jun 21, 2018

Oceanitidae

Proposal (798) to SACC

Split the storm-petrels (Hydrobatidae) into two families

Peter Kovalik · Feb 27, 2019

Peter Kovalik said:
Proposal (798) to SACC

Split the storm-petrels (Hydrobatidae) into two families

PASSED (27 February 2019)

Peter Kovalik · Jul 24, 2020

Pluvialis

Jingjing Ding, Ruen Qian, Deyun Tai, Wenjia Yao, Chaochao Hu & Qing Chang (2020) The complete mitochondrial genome of grey plover Pluvialis squatarola (Charadriiformes, charadriidae), Mitochondrial DNA Part B, 5:3, 2738-2739, DOI: 10.1080/23802359.2020.1787892

Abstract:

The complete mitochondrial genome of grey plover Pluvialis squatarola was obtained by next-generation sequencing. The circular genome was 16,860 bp in length, consisting of 13 protein-coding genes, 22 transfer RNA genes, 2 ribosomal RNA genes, and a control region. The overall nucleotide composition was A: 30.9%, T: 23.4%, C: 31.6%, G: 14.1%. Nine genes were encoded on the light strand, and the remaining 28 genes were encoded on the heavy strand. Most of the PCGs began with the ATG as the start codon, and four kinds of termination codons were used in this mitogenome. This study improves our understanding of the mitogenomic characteristics and its phylogenetic relationships within Charadriiformes.

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Nutcracker · Jul 24, 2020

Peter Kovalik said:
Jingjing Ding, Ruen Qian, Deyun Tai, Wenjia Yao, Chaochao Hu & Qing Chang (2020) The complete mitochondrial genome of grey plover Pluvialis squatarola (Charadriiformes, charadriidae), Mitochondrial DNA Part B, 5:3, 2738-2739, DOI: 10.1080/23802359.2020.1787892

Abstract:

The complete mitochondrial genome of grey plover Pluvialis squatarola was obtained by next-generation sequencing. The circular genome was 16,860 bp in length, consisting of 13 protein-coding genes, 22 transfer RNA genes, 2 ribosomal RNA genes, and a control region. The overall nucleotide composition was A: 30.9%, T: 23.4%, C: 31.6%, G: 14.1%. Nine genes were encoded on the light strand, and the remaining 28 genes were encoded on the heavy strand. Most of the PCGs began with the ATG as the start codon, and four kinds of termination codons were used in this mitogenome. This study improves our understanding of the mitogenomic characteristics and its phylogenetic relationships within Charadriiformes.

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Contrary to the conclusions of Baker et al. (2012) who found Pluvialis to belong in Charadriidae (using nuclear DNA) :t:

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