Juv red backed shrike or other ? (1 Viewer)

turkeylandman

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• Sep 18, 2019

• #1

This bird seen this morning, I thought Juv red-backed shrike, but white patches on wing unfamiliar, any suggestions. Kavakarasi Woods near Dalyan southwest Turkey

 

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Jean FRANCOIS

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• Sep 18, 2019

• #2

Masked Shrike juv.
Jean

 

turkeylandman

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• Sep 18, 2019

• #3

thank you

 

rosbifs

PutAin STOP

• Sep 18, 2019

• #4

Why not juv woodchat? Hint of rufous tones?

 

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Jean FRANCOIS

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• Sep 18, 2019

• #5

rosbifs said:

Why not juv woodchat? Hint of rufous tones?

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The Woodchat juv has no visible white in the primaries.
Jean

 

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rosbifs

PutAin STOP

• Sep 18, 2019

• #6

The white patch?

 

PYRTLE

Old Berkshire Boy

• Sep 18, 2019

• #7

Masked Shrike ( juv) for me, looks to be slightly longer and thinner. Rufous tone could be a lighting artefact. Bill appears smaller too. More photos if possible.

 

Nutcracker

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• Sep 18, 2019

• #8

rosbifs said:

The white patch?

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Yep - the prominent, hard-edged white patch at the base of the primaries; present in juvenile Masked, but not, or only weak / buffy and diffuse-edged, in juvenile Woodchat Shrike :t:

 

rosbifs

PutAin STOP

• Sep 18, 2019

• #9

I thought that the further east the more pronounced the white patch became in woodchat....

 

PYRTLE

Old Berkshire Boy

• Sep 18, 2019

• #10

rosbifs said:

I thought that the further east the more pronounced the white patch became in woodchat....

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Put that to one side and look at the other plumage details including structure, length etc. Also the lack of a clear rufous nape. Then the cleaness, shape and colour of the white primary patch.

Regards, P