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Old Tuesday 22nd May 2018, 18:57   #76
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We might if we cared what names Europen field guides use but we don’t so you have nothing to fear. . .. That said, how anyone could prefer a vanilla name like “diver” to “loon” with its evocation of crazy calls in the northern wilderness is beyond me!
Probably because for most of us on this side of the Pond, 99.9% of the divers we see are distant (and silent) blobs in a scope!
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Probably because for most of us on this side of the Pond, 99.9% of the divers we see are distant (and silent) blobs in a scope!
I've only ever heard a calling Diver once and it was in Russia.


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Probably because for most of us on this side of the Pond, 99.9% of the divers we see are distant (and silent) blobs in a scope!
A fair point and a strong reason not to standardize common names but let each region stick to its own.
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I've only ever heard a calling Diver once and it was in Russia.
Really? And you call yourself a world birder!

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We might if we cared what names Europen field guides use but we don’t so you have nothing to fear. . .. That said, how anyone could prefer a vanilla name like “diver” to “loon” with its evocation of crazy calls in the northern wilderness is beyond me!
Because once you've announced "Great Northern", the milder ring of "Diver" doesn't matter, whereas "Common Loon" should be in an asylum.

Either way it's a corking sound, hugely evocative of wilderness. It's just that mostly in British waters they are silent. First ones I heard were sharing Portland Harbour with a Brunnich's Guillemot, if you know what that is on the West side of the Atlantic.....

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A fair point and a strong reason not to standardize common names but let each reason stick to its own.
Fully agree! I'm a firm believer that common names should be exactly that - names that are in common usage - and when in the US, I'm more than happy to use such abominations as Horned Lark, Black-bellied Plover and Thick-billed Murre
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Because once you've announced "Great Northern", the milder ring of "Diver" doesn't matter, whereas "Common Loon" should be in an asylum.

Either way it's a corking sound, hugely evocative of wilderness. It's just that mostly in British waters they are silent. First ones I heard were sharing Portland Harbour with a Brunnich's Guillemot, if you know what that is on the West side of the Atlantic.....

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"Great Northern", ah yes. Considering it's not the largest (Yellow-billed Loon/White-billed Diver is bigger) and that in North America (where 99% of them live) it's effectively the southernmost of the "divers", that's an objectively terrible name.

(There's plenty of terrible names in the US too... but I can't see making "Great Northern Diver" a point of pride.)
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Really? And you call yourself a world birder!

Let me know when you find one in Africa, Tropical Asia or the Tropical Americas!

I had my first calling Black-throated on a camping trip to the Arctic just last year.




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Note Zimmers comment on C livia, he seems to not understand that the species in the UK at least, has very few 'tickable' populations and none are in cities!

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I don't understand why self sustaining populations of feral Rock Doves are often considered 'untickeable' but populations of Common Pheasant and Red-legged Partridge that are also topped up by thousands of releases annually are gleefully 'ticked'. What's that about?

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"Great Northern", ah yes. Considering it's not the largest (Yellow-billed Loon/White-billed Diver is bigger) and that in North America (where 99% of them live) it's effectively the southernmost of the "divers", that's an objectively terrible name.

(There's plenty of terrible names in the US too... but I can't see making "Great Northern Diver" a point of pride.)
Several years ago a guy told me that the biggest loon/diver ever measured on Heligoland was a black-throated

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I don't understand why self sustaining populations of feral Rock Doves are often considered 'untickeable' but populations of Common Pheasant and Red-legged Partridge that are also topped up by thousands of releases annually are gleefully 'ticked'. What's that about?

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Which populations, why are they feral?
Are the Bempton birds of captive origin, the ones in the Hebrides aren't are they, I thought they were genuine, remnant populations?

Feral Pigeon is on no list anywhere either AFAIK?


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