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Old Thursday 25th December 2008, 20:12   #26
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Hi Neil
One question.... Why did you choose the straight scope over the angled one?
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One question.... Why did you choose the straight scope over the angled one?
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I'm a photographer first so I like the straight scope as it's similar to using a telephoto lens. I find it much faster to get onto the bird. Neil.
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2009, 13:59   #28
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Here is my favorite Little Ringed Plovers taken with the Canon A640, Nikon P5100 and P6000 yesterday out on the mudflats. The A640 still holds it's own but the P6000 holds a lot more detail , even in Jpeg. Neil.

Photos from left to right A640,P5100,P6000

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Lamma Island,
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Here is my favorite Little Ringed Plovers taken with the Canon A640, Nikon P5100 and P6000 yesterday out on the mudflats. The A640 still holds it's own but the P6000 holds a lot more detail , even in Jpeg. Neil.

Photos from left to right A640,P5100,P6000

plus Swarovski STS80HD scope and Sw 30x eyepiece and DCA adapter

Lamma Island,
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January 2009
Very helpful Neil, thanks.

Now, a question: if you had the choice of P6000 or P8400 for the same price, which would you choose and why? I have that choice at the moment, with a P8400 reduced to clear at about the same price as the P6000.

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Old Monday 26th January 2009, 03:32   #30
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Very helpful Neil, thanks.

Now, a question: if you had the choice of P6000 or P8400 for the same price, which would you choose and why? I have that choice at the moment, with a P8400 reduced to clear at about the same price as the P6000.

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Now you've put me on the spot. They both have more features in common now that the P6000 has RAW. If I could only have one digiscoping camera though it would have to be the 8400. It's the best all round featured camera that I own. I still like the rotatable screen a lot and miss it on the P6000. I shoot in hides a lot and sitting on the ground so rotatable is good. The remote function is nice to have too , although I don't use it as much these days as I used to. But it's useful for digiscoping waders sitting out on the mudflats at distance. But the main benefit is when walking around out in sunlight. Even though the P6000 screen is very nice you still can't see it well. The electronic viewfinder on the 8400 is a unique selling feature (the Ricoh GX100 also has it ) and makes it any all weathers camera.

The new Panasonic Lumix G1 has all these benefits too and I'm planning to get one in the next two weeks to replace the 8400 but it will be about US$1000 with lens.
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Old Monday 26th January 2009, 10:27   #31
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Now you've put me on the spot. They both have more features in common now that the P6000 has RAW. If I could only have one digiscoping camera though it would have to be the 8400. It's the best all round featured camera that I own. I still like the rotatable screen a lot and miss it on the P6000. I shoot in hides a lot and sitting on the ground so rotatable is good. The remote function is nice to have too , although I don't use it as much these days as I used to. But it's useful for digiscoping waders sitting out on the mudflats at distance. But the main benefit is when walking around out in sunlight. Even though the P6000 screen is very nice you still can't see it well. The electronic viewfinder on the 8400 is a unique selling feature (the Ricoh GX100 also has it ) and makes it any all weathers camera.

The new Panasonic Lumix G1 has all these benefits too and I'm planning to get one in the next two weeks to replace the 8400 but it will be about US$1000 with lens.
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Thanks Neil,

Any notable differences in picture quality with the lower pixel count of the 8400? What about noise issues?

Can you explain how you use the remote feature? You mean instead of a cable release?

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Any notable differences in picture quality with the lower pixel count of the 8400? What about noise issues?

Can you explain how you use the remote feature? You mean instead of a cable release?

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The noise of the iso 200 with the P6000 is not too bad and I use it there sometimes to keep the shutter speed up. The 8400 can't really be used over iso 100. The iso 50 of the 8400 is nice to have and noisefree. At iso 100 they are both good but the P6000 would have a slight edge for noise handling. The RAW of both are good but the 8400 has an ED lens so has a better "look" to the images.
The remote for the 8400 is "wireless" .
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Old Tuesday 27th January 2009, 09:42   #33
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Dave,
These links cover most of the popular digiscoping cameras we're discussing.
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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikoncp8400/page19.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikonp5100/page15.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong10/page23.asp
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2009, 10:23   #34
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I had the P6000 out in some dull weather this morning, working from a hide in some farmland with Anonymous Guy. I posted three images in the Gallery today but here are a couple more. Neil.

Nikon P6000 plus Swarovski STS 80HD scope and Sw 30x eyepiece and DCA adapter

Lamma Island,
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2009, 23:27   #35
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This example shows the crop factor with the P6000 and the noise handling. In Jpeg you can see a little "smearing" due to the noise handling with the large number of megs on a small sensor. The first image is a wide zoom in the camera with some vignetting, the second has adjustments and cropping and shows some noise, the third has Noiseware applied to it.
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ps the distance was about 8 meters

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Old Thursday 5th February 2009, 14:14   #36
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those pictures look really good, the p6000 is definately worth checking out after reading this!!
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Old Thursday 5th February 2009, 18:13   #37
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Good Camera Indeed

I posted a few times on the P6000/TSN883 thread, but just to re-iterate, this camera seems to take nice shots. Had another 15mins at lunch today to try to photograph the waxwings near home, and again in poor light. The results speak for themselves.

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I posted a few times on the P6000/TSN883 thread, but just to re-iterate, this camera seems to take nice shots. Had another 15mins at lunch today to try to photograph the waxwings near home, and again in poor light. The results speak for themselves.

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Nice Pete. I'm seeing feather detail in the waxwing that you don't often see. Neil.
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I just started digiscoping with Kowa TSN 883 and I managed this in my first day with P6000. I was testing camera at feeding station. Distance was 5 meters.

Eyepiece is 20x-60x (photographed at 20x).
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Just to tell you the end of the story which I started further down this thread on whether to buy the 6000 or 8400. On Neil's advice, I went for the half-price 8400, and these are some of my first efforts.

SO much easier to use than the Canon A640, and the pic quality is heaps better too. So no regrets, and thanks Neil.

Cheers

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I fell back onto the P6000 today as I forgot the 52 mm DCA for the Panasonic G1 (it's now my backup camera ). Here are some images . Neil.

Nikon P6000 plus Swarovski STS80HD scope and Sw30x eyepiece and DCA adapter

Hong Kong Wetland Park
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Just to tell you the end of the story which I started further down this thread on whether to buy the 6000 or 8400. On Neil's advice, I went for the half-price 8400, and these are some of my first efforts.

SO much easier to use than the Canon A640, and the pic quality is heaps better too. So no regrets, and thanks Neil.

Cheers

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Lovely light on these birds Dave. It picks up the detail nicely. You'll be happy with the 8400. Neil.
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Old Tuesday 14th April 2009, 21:59   #44
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Hi,

Beeing a beginner and also very impressed by all the excellent images presented in this forum I would like to ask one thing.
I know that I found somewhere on Birdforum the optimum camera settings for the Nikon P5100 when used for digiscoping but I cant find it again!! (It was quite a long time ago though)

What I really would appreciate is the recomended settings for the P6000;
Max ISO, Macro/No macro, How much should the camera be zoomed (not only to avoid vignetting but also to achieve optimum sharpness), optimum aperture setting, how much can i zoom the ocular on the scope (in "real life" considering vibrations).
My setup is a P6000 with an AT80 + 20-60 ocular.


I was doing some test shots today and they were "ok" but not more so I would really appreciate some hints to get a quicker start (it's busy days in Sweden now with all birds coming back after the winter)
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Hi astacus

I have put the settings I use on my webpage which I hope you will find useful

http://www.wildrossendale.co.uk/Digiscoping.html
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Thanks a lot, Stephen!

The information on your site was exactly what I was looking for!

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Glad you found them useful. Happy digiscoping and don't forget to post a few pics.
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As I had a good offer on one of these new I decided to buy one. Having spent half an hour with it only so far I'm reasonably pleased. What I find almost unbelievable however, is jokingly called 'continuous' shooting mode; about one shot a second! You therefore have to be absolutely certain that the bird is spot on as you want it to be, because the chances are you won't get another shot. Generally speaking this is a far better camera than the LX3, and a lot cheaper too, but at least the LX3 had a reasonably rapid shooting sequence. For someone who hand-holds as I do, where you really need the ability to shoot off a rapid sequence to be sure of getting a decent image, this camera is a huge let down.
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As I had a good offer on one of these new I decided to buy one. Having spent half an hour with it only so far I'm reasonably pleased. What I find almost unbelievable however, is jokingly called 'continuous' shooting mode; about one shot a second! You therefore have to be absolutely certain that the bird is spot on as you want it to be, because the chances are you won't get another shot. Generally speaking this is a far better camera than the LX3, and a lot cheaper too, but at least the LX3 had a reasonably rapid shooting sequence. For someone who hand-holds as I do, where you really need the ability to shoot off a rapid sequence to be sure of getting a decent image, this camera is a huge let down.
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Speed is a bit of a let down with this camera , as discussed at length in the beginning of this thread. But it is with the P5100 too so I guess we've just got used to it. Even the Canon A650IS is only 1.2 frames/sec. I find I use the Self-timer a lot more with these cameras than I do with others.
I have found that the P6000 does a reasonable job when shooting long distance over mudflats through haze. The attached photos were taken at 2/3 rd camera zoom on the Sw45x eyepiece ( about 3500 mm ) at 50 - 80 metres. Neil.
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Speed is a bit of a let down with this camera , as discussed at length in the beginning of this thread. But it is with the P5100 too so I guess we've just got used to it. Even the Canon A650IS is only 1.2 frames/sec. I find I use the Self-timer a lot more with these cameras than I do with others.
I have found that the P6000 does a reasonable job when shooting long distance over mudflats through haze. The attached photos were taken at 2/3 rd camera zoom on the Sw45x eyepiece ( about 3500 mm ) at 50 - 80 metres. Neil.
Hi Neil,
I'm guessing that the speed of 'continuous' is due to the larger image size, although this doesn't gel entirely with what other manufacturers are getting.
In my short time experimenting yesterday, I too found the 2/3rds camera zoom was perfectly usable, and as you say, the high pixel count does seem to be an advantage to what is clearly a fairly good lens.
Nice work on the waders Neil, I have to say I'm jealous that you seem to have hides over there that can get you close to waders. I'm not saying that they aren't around me somewhere, but I haven't found them yet!
I'll update as I progress.
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