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Old Monday 18th April 2016, 14:43   #326
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I recently found a pair of Hoya porro prism binoculars at a car boot sale, I paid the princely sum of £7 for them after checking the collimation was correct. The objective lens is a bit dented and I fear there is a small amount of fungal growth on one lens. All of that aside I took a punt as I understand Hoya to be responsible for some good glass, and I hadn't seen any of their optics before - I wasn't disappointed! The image is bright and relatively sharp, but the best feature is the 3D view. The spacing of objects within the field of view is almost as they appear to the naked eye, quite remarkable really. The bins have solid eyecups so I have to use them without glasses, and for that reason I can only really find a use as a pair to sit on the bedroom window, or occasionally mounted on a tripod when scanning fields or looking at a feeder. The bins are 8x40, quoted fov of 499ft @ 1000yards seems optimistic though. I can post picks if these are of interest to anybody, for the money a lovely vintage pair for occasional use.
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Nice find for £7, Hoya porro's are pretty good, I had an 8x30 pair. I gave them to a friend who was pleased with them, he still uses them. Amazing what you spot at boot fairs, but quite infrequent. My best was when I picked up an Optolyth rubber armoured porro binocular, it was dirty, the button saying what magnification it is was missing, but the lenses looked good, just dirty, As I was looking at it, the guy said £3 that mate. Well, you cant say no can you. It cleaned up lovely, the objective measured 50mm so I guessed it was 10x50. I couldn't say for sure, but I used it now and then, then someone offered to buy it for £35, I didn't need it really, so said yes, thanks.
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The larger brother.
Hoya 10x50 EWA marked 7.5 deg. Actual 7.55deg. American style. Squared off exit pupils.1010g. Everything smooth mechanically. Binocular, case and strap almost as new. Under £20.
Not made by Hoya, Japanese made.
Lot of pincushion. Edge poor.
Binocular a pleasure to use. Eye relief good for EWA.
Performance better than 10x50 Jenoptem.
Very high resolution optics. Better than many modern so called high resolution binoculars.
Moon, the earthshine contrast less than modern well coated binocular.
Venus perfect crescent, very crisp, well resolved, modern binocular showed considerable flare.
Hand made to high standards.
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Old Tuesday 19th April 2016, 17:14   #328
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Further re. 10x50 Hoya.
The objectives may be airspaced but I cannot see spacers. Maybe 4 coated surfaces.
Eyepieces yellow coated and uncoated surfaces.
Close focus 25ft for farsighted.
Prisms caged, uncoated.
Inside front on baffles JE17 in large figures.
Stippled black body one piece style.
Eye position a bit critical to avoid blackout.
Hard eyecups.
JB191 on body front.
Silver JTII sticker possibly 1976??
As new.

Why don't I use them. Even though fairly light for 10x50 a bit big for me generally. Prefer HR/5 8.5x44.
Coatings not up to modern standards. Squared exit pupils but still big.

Only thing missing maybe are eye caps.
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Old Thursday 21st April 2016, 01:48   #329
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Good eye relief and sensitive eye placement, good precision.
Sounds like some kind of 5-element EP...not your average set.
Especially given it's 75-deg apparent!
A good night pair.
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Old Thursday 21st April 2016, 02:14   #330
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Two brands are rapidly becoming my favorites: Scope and Tower.
I have trouble moving them on to the antique shop shelf.

I love the contrast and field quality on the Scopes.
The 7x50 / 414-ft "Overfield" cleaned up to amazing condition,
The 10x35 Model 2900s have been incredible on beach jaunts
(7 degrees at 10x, and very flat!). Incredible eyepiece.
The 7x35 Mark IVs and 3010 Customs are super-sharp.
The 3010s are technically better, but their eyecup is
hard to work, like some Swifts. The Mark-IVs are more straightforward.
The 10x50 Overfields are awesome as well. Good on hazy days and nights.

The Tower 7x50s, 7x35 Featherweights, and 10x50s are super solid
and have a very comfortable eye placment, though the field isn't
entirely as gleaming as the Scopes. Still, very rugged and comfortable.
There is a catch with early Towers (by Ofuna): the lithium grease
can turn to glue. Heated up, it loosens long before the balsam on
the lenses, but it's work digging and dissolving it off.
A pair of 7x50 Swift Commodores from "Occupied Japan" is in the
same family. That one took 2 hours to de-glue. Somebody replaced
the Lithium grease with more, maybe in the 70s.

There are individual models of all names I really like,
but those two are consistently great across models.
The Towers generally take more cleaning, mainly because
they are 2-3 decades older than most Scopes.
I have let some Swifts and B&Ls go for good money
but kept the Scopes and some Towers. They are built very well,
and they both have optics well better than average.
If they don't go for a premium, it's the world's loss and my gain.
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Old Sunday 8th May 2016, 19:15   #331
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Interesting points about the Towers and Scopes. I'll keep an eye out for them in my travels, pardon the pun.
Old grease is quite something, isn't it? It locks up, frees up slightly with a modest amount of heat, but generally locks up again when it cools down. Probably couldn't invent something like that if there was a use for it. ha ha
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Old Tuesday 31st January 2017, 20:34   #332
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Additions to Vintage Binocular Collection

The following have been added to my collection since the last posting on
August 30, 2015:

1) Bushnell Custom 7X35
2) C.P. Goerz D.F. 03 Offizierglas 2nd Model 7X20
3) Indian Ordnance Factory Calcutta Bino Prism No. 2 Mk II 6X30
4) REL 7X50 (probably CGB 40MA) with BOP Filter Modification
5) REL Canada/Universal Camera Corp N.Y. Prismatic 2-S No. 2 Mk II 6X30 (Australian Army markings)
6) Ross, Binocular Prismatic No. 3 Mark II 6X24 (Australian Army markings)
7) Voigtländer Braunschweig Prismenglas 6X30
8) Carl Zeiss, Jena Binoctar 7X50
9) Carl Zeiss, Jena Feldstecher 6X18 (Australian Army markings)
10) Zeiss Jena Telact, 8X24 (WWI Canadian markings)

I would appreciate any comments, further information or corrections the members of this forum could provide about these binoculars and my descriptions of them.

Once again, thanks to members of this and other forums who have provided new information about the binoculars in the collection.

The new binoculars can be viewed at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/binocw...57678035469381

The entire collection including additions can be viewed at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/binocw...57623234405689

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Thanks Frank, i'm quite taken with the prism set up on the Voigtländer Braunschweig Prismenglas 6X30, looks much easier to clean and replace than most.
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Hmmm. Sometimes, albeit very infrequently, when sending a Flickr link to somebody, they'll be unable to open it (firewall? antivirus?). I'll try sending you a pm with the links attached.
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Old Tuesday 14th February 2017, 23:36   #336
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Hi Wayne,

Welcome to BF

The manufacturers are indicated by the J-B and J-E numbers. 26 is Futaba Kogaku LTD. 45 is Tamron, who still is in business today making binoculars for other companies. As indicated by the J-E45 for Tamron it means that they were the source of the body. J-B indicates the assembler.

As you search places like eBay for specimens just be prepared to find most people know nothing about the binocular they are selling. Good photos are often times accidental. Be prepared to ask the seller appropriate questions.

I have a few old Swifts, but none of which you have. There is a Swift sub forum here that packs a lot of information about the old Swifts.

Many of those old Vintage types can indeed hold their own even today. When we consider some of them are 50 or more years old, What was done with them then was more outstanding than we knew.
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Additions to Vintage Binocular Collection

The following have been added to my collection since the last posting on
January 31, 2017:

1) Barton Linnard Ltd., Folding Minim 5.5x16
2) Bausch & Lomb Optical Co., Zeiss Stereo Field Glass 8x20
3) Fujii Brothers, Koishikawa (Tokyo) Arsenal marked 6x24
4) C.P. Goerz, Berlin, D.F. 99 7x20
5) Hensoldt, Wetzlar, Pentaprisma-Binocle-Feldstecher 7x22.5
6) Huet, Paris, Mirapan 200 8X30
7) E. Krauss & Cie., Paris, Stéréo-Jumelle Zeiss, Modèle De L'Armée 8x20
8) Lemaire, Stereo Changeable 6, 8, and 10x 25
9) Ross, London, 1st Series Prism Binocular (Barton’s Patent) 10x20
10) Ross, London, Binocular Prismatic Power = 8, Binocular Prismatic Mk. I/No. 1 8x19
11) Carl Zeiss, Jena, D.F. 6x 6x18

I would appreciate any comments, further information or corrections the members of this forum could provide about these binoculars and my descriptions of them.

Once again, thanks to members of this and other forums who have provided new information about the binoculars in the collection.

The new binoculars can be viewed at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/binocw...57667204399478

The entire collection including additions can be viewed at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/binocw...405689/detail/

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Frank:

Thanks for posting, you have lots of skill in repair and cleaning it appears.

I love the patina on the oldies. Keep up the good work.

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Cartier Binoculars

Hello, have been searching the net and have come up with not a lot. I have found this page, with some good stuff on here so I am hoping that someone can help.

I have a pair of binoculars, old I think. Not really looking for a value unless it is obscene high

On the left side it is marked "Cartier Paris" The right side is marked "8x30 Ranger"

The front has Made in France

Now I am not 100% sure if it says Cartier or Gartier some well placed scratches is really in the way.

Guess any info would be appreciated. Is it from THE Cartier? Were they made by some one else for them? When were they made?

Pictures, yes working on it ASAP, need to get the size smaller to upload, I phone 8 takes great pictures, to good!!

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Hi ffpmme and welcome.

This seems like a regular 8x30, but in a bit of a state.
Screw missing, also paint and eyecups missing, and well used.
It may be that the eyecups were removed to enable use with glasses.

I have seen Ranger before but there may be several different makes of Ranger, and I can't see Ranger on the photos.

If it says Cartier it could be made for the store or just a name picked out of a hat.

The binocular seems uncoated, if so perhaps 1930s.

It says Made in France so probably is, but everyone made similar binoculars.

I doubt that it would fetch £20 unless really cleaned up.

But if the binocular is aligned and free of fungus just use it.
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Sorry about taking so long to respond. Yes they seam clear I have cleaned the out the best I could. Any ideas where to find a screw or eye cups? I paid about 15 USD for them


Attached is the picture I missed of the 8x30 ranger on the right side.

Thank you for you help
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Hi,
The screw, probably in a repairers parts bin.

The eyecups would cost more than the binocular.
Some people here make rubber ones out of old bicycle tyre inner tubes.
I presume that they were removed because of short eye relief or the user's wearing glasses.

$20 or $15 is about right.

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Here is an alleged ad from 1908 Sears catalogue. One of me favs the Busch Terlux 12x35 of which I own. Not from 1908 more like middle-late 20's. There are two testimonials from 1906 on the Busch Terlux line. According to a website I ran across $55 in 1908 is valued 110 yrs later at $1506.75.

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http://oldadsarefunny.blogspot.com/2...ch-terlux.html

The objective lenses of the Busch Terlux Prism Binocular are one and three-eighths inches in diameter, almost twice the diameter of any other prism binocular binocular glass made, and as the illumination increases in proportion to the square this means that the Busch Terlux Prism Binocular glass admits almost four times the volume of light that is admitted by any other binocular glass made. Used by Wellman Polar Expedition.

$1 in 1908 is 27.40 in 2018. $55 is $1506.75

Bodies and crossbar are made from one solid casting, of an especailly hard alloy of aluminum, to secure the greatest possible solidity and rigidity, thus insuring permanent alignment, with the least possible weight. The working parts are brass, the bodies are covered with very finest black pebbled morocco leather and all exposed metal parts are finished in fine, bright. black enamel, highly polished. FOV 180' at 1k yds weight 21 oz, 7" high 4.5" wide.
There is no glass more highly corrected for spherical and chromatic aberration.

Little wonder why I as a moth was drawn to the Busch Terlux flame.

If those sold for 55 clams how much would me 15x44.5 Terlux have snagged? I note keeping in line w/almost 3mm EP as the 12x.
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From the 1906 Wellman polar expedition a pic. Note the July 1906 calender on the wall. As well two binocular leather carrying cases. The longer one on the right looks as my 15x Terlux. The 15x & 12x being very close in dimensions.

https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/def...SM-9A10698.jpg

National Air and Space Museum - Smithsonian Institution
Walter and Arthur Wellman Collection 1894-1934

Here's an interesting read:
https://www.airships.net/first-attem...rship-america/
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Dang, wish BF would allow longer editing as it would save another post. In perusing over the 1934 Dumaurier catalogue I note Busch Terlux offerings in 24, 18, 15 & 10x. The 15x, that I own, is listed as 52.5m/m objective lens, Light Transmitting Power of 12.25, Fiels of 59.5 yds, Height 8 7/8", weight 37 1/16 oz No 6070 black leather $138. The lens might be 52.5mm in diameter. But the locking collar only allows 1.8125"/46mm. A 15x46.

Considering inflation $138 in 1934 equals a 2018 price of $2,595.62.

10x 46.5m/m or 1 3/8" according to the Sears 1908 ad for the 12x. The 10 & 12x probably share the same objective size. Or they started w/12x and by 1934 it was replaced w/10x. I guess that since the 12x isn't mentioned in the 1934 catalogue that perhaps it was discontinued by Busch in attempt to streamline their offerings. Maybe DuMaurier didn't think the 12x was enough of a jump from 10x or to 15x.

The Terlux dates back to the early 1900's somewhere around 1906-1909. Early models did not have lugs in first bridge for neckstrap. They had metal tabs rivited into the leather covering the barrels. There's four interesting tidbits about me 10x44.5, claimed 46.5mm Terlux previous post mistakenly called it a 12x, that I own. 56/64/74 reference points for IPD settings on a tapered brass cover that also sports Germany in quaint script/font.

The metal eyecups have brass covers w/2 tiny brass set screws c-c 3/16". The covers are cone shaped about 3/16" concave/towards the ocular w/3/8" round opening in the center. As a metal splash guard/ocular protector. Actually the collar is brass & the concave cone is of ferous metal. Two piece the cone is placed over the eyecups then the brass collar locks them down.

The leather is smooth instead of pebblegrain.

Behind the first bridge is a brass wheel checkered style, 3 rows raised diamond tips, on the edge for firm grip. Two arrows pointing opposite directions w/2 sets of 4 smaller close together mini arrows inbetween. An 'L' on the left a 'F' on the right. Lose for loose und fest for tight? Anywho it is a fancy locking IPD wheel.

Lastly the ultimate in post purchase advertising. Remember purchasing an auto only to have the dealership name in chrome bolted to the boot? Whilst the left prism cover states:

Busch Terlux
Prisma Binocle
10X

Right side:
Paul A Meyrowitz
Fifth Avenue 36th Street
New York

These were some fancy bins w/add on brass eyepiece protectors, the brass IPD lock, perhaps bling w/store name on right prism cover and I note that a bin w/SN 10,000 later the tapered brass ipd degree indicator did not have special font/script that spelled Germany. Since I've never seen another w/brass IPD locking wheel. I figured that Paul A Meyrowitz, who was an optician, perhaps had a run of these special ordered.

https://books.google.com/books?id=co...Street&f=false ---scroll down to bottom of page.
The Literary Digest, Volume 40, Part 2
Ad in the 1910 literary Digest April 30 bottom of Pg 900:
ASTRONOMY with the TERLUX
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(busch prism binocular)

A booklet for Beginners
By
Kelvin McKready
A new and interesting
story of the night sky as
revealed by the Terlux

Call or write for illustrated Booklet, mentioning Dept. C
Paul A. Meyrowitz, Optician
389 Fifth Avemue, Cor. 36th St., New York

http://www.binoculars-cinecollectors...dy_german.html
according to this site, "Terlux first list in Busch catalogue 1908 as Dr Hans Seeger states in second book." Terlux 12x35 ca 1914 No 74497 & 18x46 sn 84414 ca 1925-30.

http://www.fernglasmuseum.at/museum/...erlux_12x.html
According to this site, "From 1906 - 1935 the optical company Busch produced the very successful model "Terlux. The Terlux came in different variants 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18 and 24 times magnification. " They have on display a 12x35 w/serial number 79407.

The 10x had four sections the 12x had three & was shorter.

If you have a Terlux post the magnification and SN.
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Hello Nixterdermus,


Occasionally, the point of sale engraving adds value to a collectible. In the case of your Terlux, Meyrowitz, Optician, is a shop I recall well, although near 43rd Street but still on Fifth Avenue, but on the west side of the avenue. It was an optician which sold other optical devices as well. There may be another Meyrowitz optician in Paris.

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