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Old Monday 19th March 2007, 16:56   #1
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Nikon P5000

Link here to the press release for the new Nikon P5000. Will retail from end of March, cost at 329 pounds sterling. (around 489 euros)

Claims for ISO 3200 can probably be taken with a pinch of salt as regards digiscoping, however looks very interesting.

Would be interested in hearing from anyone who gets to test the model for Digiscoping...

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07...nikonP5000.asp

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Link here to the press release for the new Nikon P5000. Will retail from end of March, cost at 329 pounds sterling. (around 489 euros)

Claims for ISO 3200 can probably be taken with a pinch of salt as regards digiscoping, however looks very interesting.

Would be interested in hearing from anyone who gets to test the model for Digiscoping...

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07...nikonP5000.asp
If you're going to buy one Alan, to test out and let us know how good it is, get it via "pricerunner, co uk" there are several advertising it just below 280

Seriously, it sounds like a good camera, the main thing that concerns me is whether it's just a higher Mpix P3 - 4, (the lens and many other things are the same), and these turned out to be very hit and miss cameras.

I'm sure we will all be looking for reviews on it and post anything we come across.

Best wishes from Cornwall

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If you're going to buy one Alan, to test out and let us know how good it is, get it via "pricerunner, co uk" there are several advertising it just below 280

Seriously, it sounds like a good camera, the main thing that concerns me is whether it's just a higher Mpix P3 - 4, (the lens and many other things are the same), and these turned out to be very hit and miss cameras.

I'm sure we will all be looking for reviews on it and post anything we come across.

Best wishes from Cornwall

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Wondering about the battery life as well, 250 pictures is not a whole lot on a target rich day out!!
Will wait and get some feedback before taking the plunge on this one.

All the best John...
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I think it should be a good camera for digiscoping - zoom is not too large, it supports high iso and VR and accepts external lenses.
I've already ordered one for testing, and should have it within a couple of weeks.
I'll upload a test report when I'll get it.
I don't think battery life should be an issue, as if it's found to be a suitable camera for digiscoping, one should buy a couple more batteries.
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Old Wednesday 21st March 2007, 14:22   #5
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It would be helpful for all of us if you could do a comparison with the p5000 to some of the other digitals out there...N2, F30, P4, A640 when you get it and try it out. I'm in the market, just about ready to buy. So I think I might hold off just a little longer.
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I think it should be a good camera for digiscoping - zoom is not too large, it supports high iso and VR and accepts external lenses.
I've already ordered one for testing, and should have it within a couple of weeks.
I'll upload a test report when I'll get it.
I don't think battery life should be an issue, as if it's found to be a suitable camera for digiscoping, one should buy a couple more batteries.
Great news Yossi, many of us will be eagerly awaiting your report, especially as we know from your previous threads it will be totally unbiased, unlike some commercial reviews.

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Great news Yossi, many of us will be eagerly awaiting your report, especially as we know from your previous threads it will be totally unbiased, unlike some commercial reviews.

Best regards

John
Likewise Yossi..

Ps; Thanks John for the input...

Ps; Would you be the bearded individual I first met on Porthgwarra of open hand who first made me feel welcome as an Irish birder in Cornwall and later met so many times around Marazion, Cot Valley, Sennen and Lands End etc
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Getting a P5000 in about a month. I've seen samples at various ISO settings and am quite impressed.

ISO 100 and less - Very Good
ISO 200 - Very Good - minor graininess
ISO 400 - Good - minor colour loss; increased graininess
ISO 800 - Fair - more colour loss; graininess; but uncropped pictures very workable
ISO 1600 - Fair - very grainy; but good for ID shot
ISO 3200 - Fair - Better colour than ISO 1600; watercolour effect as opposed to graininess; actually looks useful unlike many other cameras.

Out of camera pictures are a bit soft so PP sharpening will likely be required for bird pics.
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Getting a P5000 in about a month. I've seen samples at various ISO settings and am quite impressed.

ISO 100 and less - Very Good
ISO 200 - Very Good - minor graininess
ISO 400 - Good - minor colour loss; increased graininess
ISO 800 - Fair - more colour loss; graininess; but uncropped pictures very workable
ISO 1600 - Fair - very grainy; but good for ID shot
ISO 3200 - Fair - Better colour than ISO 1600; watercolour effect as opposed to graininess; actually looks useful unlike many other cameras.

Out of camera pictures are a bit soft so PP sharpening will likely be required for bird pics.
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Right just picked up a Nikon P5000, just had a tinker with it straight out of the box.

I can report that for all those Leica Televid users that bought the Digital Adapter 2, as I did!! the P5000 will not fit into it

But Nikon do produce a UR-E20 adapter that has the 28mm thread on the end that fits the eagle-eye digiscoping adapter, which I also had from the days of owning a Nikon Coolpix 995. So any adapter suited to the Coolpix 990,995,4500 with the 28mm thread will probably work.

Initial thoughts are that the camera is well made, button lay-out is similar to that of the DSLR's that Nikon make, so if you use the Nikon range of DSLR's it feels familiar. Nikon have alse incorperated a hotshoe to use with their Speedlight flash system, another good move, especially if the wireless SB-800 or SU-800 can be used, need to RFM on that though!!



Glad to see a view finder on a digital camera these days, dispite the fact it is only small, much better than trying to line up a scenic shot looking at an LCD screen on a bright day.


Will try and post some digiscoped shots over the next few days.

Hope these first thoughts help

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Right just picked up a Nikon P5000, just had a tinker with it straight out of the box.

I can report that for all those Leica Televid users that bought the Digital Adapter 2, as I did!! the P5000 will not fit into it

But Nikon do produce a UR-E20 adapter that has the 28mm thread on the end that fits the eagle-eye digiscoping adapter, which I also had from the days of owning a Nikon Coolpix 995. So any adapter suited to the Coolpix 990,995,4500 with the 28mm thread will probably work.

Initial thoughts are that the camera is well made, button lay-out is similar to that of the DSLR's that Nikon make, so if you use the Nikon range of DSLR's it feels familiar. Nikon have alse incorperated a hotshoe to use with their Speedlight flash system, another good move, especially if the wireless SB-800 or SU-800 can be used, need to RFM on that though!!



Glad to see a view finder on a digital camera these days, dispite the fact it is only small, much better than trying to line up a scenic shot looking at an LCD screen on a bright day.


Will try and post some digiscoped shots over the next few days.

Hope these first thoughts help

Dougie
Hi Again
Tried some test shots today using the Nikon P5000 in conjunction with the Leica Televid 77 APO scope and 20X eye-piece.

I have attached some cropped examples of the tests to show various ASA settings and noise levels, I know there is a lot of talk over noise levels in various cameras, but I can only compare with the Leica D-Lux2 which I also own. I have to say the Nikon P5000 shows the Leica D-Lux2 a clean set of heels in the noise department even set at 800 ASA shows better results than the D-Lux2 set at its maximum 400 ASA

Apologies for the slight vignetting in the original test attachment, that was my fault, zoom was set at default or as it is when you first switch the camera on, as ever the zoom needs to be set at about 1X's to avoid vignetting.
Camera setup was macro, aperture priorty and pretty much standard mode for the ASA test shots.

I have used the custom settings of which there are plenty Portrait, More Vivid, Vivid, Softer, Normal, B&W, Custom.
In custom mode you can alter contrast, Image Sharpness, and Saturation, I found using this custom settings most usful for obtaining best results, settings are as follows

Contrast +2 High
Image Sharpening +1 Medium High
Saturation +1 Enhanced

Sort of has that Fuji Velvia punch to the picture in these settings, but might be a little too much for birding shots, but made old Micky Mouse subject stand out.

I have posted Original picture then crops of 64, 400, 800, 1600 ASA examples, I am only allowed to post 5 pictures so will update whenever I can

Oh just remembered the SU-800 wireless flash controller doesn't work on this camera, SB-800 Speedlight works fine, but SB-800 Speedlight is bigger than the camera!!! and sort of looked stupid, so maybe the SB-400 would be the way to go.

Thanks Dougie
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I had the opportunity to try the P5000 in a store. I thought the pictures were good through glass to the outside of the store (they wouldn't let me take it outside) and I had no vignetting problems with only a slight zoom, so had room to zoom in and out if I wanted. Because it was a store and this camera is just out, they did not want me to "hog" the camera so unfortunately I did not try it out for long.

The one thing I did not like is that the button that takes the picture (I know it must have a name!) was hard to push. I have tried some cameras that easily took a picture and was easier to handhold without shake.

The camera does have aperature and shutter settings and a manual mode. I also has a viewfinder.

My impression is that it will definitely be a good digiscope camera. I urge some of the people that post regularly on this site to try one out. I still haven't been able to try the F30, so can't compare. I know people like the burst mode and I didn't see one on the Nikon.

I'm still waiting to make decisions on the "best" digiscope camera for me. As I stated in an earlier post, I am dabbling with the Olympus 720SW that I just happened to have since I bought it for underwater photos for Hawaii. I'm getting better with it, but it really is not the best camera for digiscoping since it doesn't have any settings (aperature, shutter or manual modes). It really does take practice and see my improvement.

Thanks for all the input in your posts. You really make a difference for new digiscopers just starting out.

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Hi Again
Tried some test shots today using the Nikon P5000 in conjunction with the Leica Televid 77 APO scope and 20X eye-piece.

I have attached some cropped examples of the tests to show various ASA settings and noise levels, I know there is a lot of talk over noise levels in various cameras, but I can only compare with the Leica D-Lux2 which I also own. I have to say the Nikon P5000 shows the Leica D-Lux2 a clean set of heels in the noise department even set at 800 ASA shows better results than the D-Lux2 set at its maximum 400 ASA

Apologies for the slight vignetting in the original test attachment, that was my fault, zoom was set at default or as it is when you first switch the camera on, as ever the zoom needs to be set at about 1X's to avoid vignetting.
Camera setup was macro, aperture priorty and pretty much standard mode for the ASA test shots.

I have used the custom settings of which there are plenty Portrait, More Vivid, Vivid, Softer, Normal, B&W, Custom.
In custom mode you can alter contrast, Image Sharpness, and Saturation, I found using this custom settings most usful for obtaining best results, settings are as follows

Contrast +2 High
Image Sharpening +1 Medium High
Saturation +1 Enhanced

Sort of has that Fuji Velvia punch to the picture in these settings, but might be a little too much for birding shots, but made old Micky Mouse subject stand out.

I have posted Original picture then crops of 64, 400, 800, 1600 ASA examples, I am only allowed to post 5 pictures so will update whenever I can

Oh just remembered the SU-800 wireless flash controller doesn't work on this camera, SB-800 Speedlight works fine, but SB-800 Speedlight is bigger than the camera!!! and sort of looked stupid, so maybe the SB-400 would be the way to go.

Thanks Dougie
Thanks for your useful info Dougie, many of us are waiting for opinions on the p5000, as it seems to hold a lot of good digiscoping features.

Iso seems OK, any opinions on lens sharpness and speed of focus please, also according to its specs it has a burst rate of 0.8 fps this seems a bit slow and I'm wondering if this is a typo error and it should be 1.8 fps, the same as the P3.

Thanks again

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The results of the hi-iso noise levels test is very good. At 1600, it's very easy to get rid of the noise by software.
I should get mine in a few days, and can't wait...
Thanks Dougie for sharing.
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Thanks for your useful info Dougie, many of us are waiting for opinions on the p5000, as it seems to hold a lot of good digiscoping features.

Iso seems OK, any opinions on lens sharpness and speed of focus please, also according to its specs it has a burst rate of 0.8 fps this seems a bit slow and I'm wondering if this is a typo error and it should be 1.8 fps, the same as the P3.

Thanks again

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Not a typo it is indeed 0.8 fps yes a bit slow cosidering the camera does not shot in TIFF, RAW or NEFF.
As for sharpness seems OK to me, but just about to go out and try digiscoping in the field with the P5000 so might post some results later if I get anything.
Must say that I am impressed by the transfer rate that the camera uploads images to my PC via USB cable even using USB 1
Only things I'd wish to see added to the camera for the moment are:-

Electronic cable release port (something better than the hit and miss one used for CP995 -CP4500)
Manual Focusing
NEFF or RAW file shooting mode
WI-FI file transfer
External DC power connection

Other than the above that would be nice features for the camera if added, I am so far happy with it.
I will try and report back on battery life today, the battery has had a couple of carge cycles now and should give me a true reflection on how long it lasts when left on.

Catch you all later Dougie
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Not a typo it is indeed 0.8 fps yes a bit slow cosidering the camera does not shot in TIFF, RAW or NEFF.
As for sharpness seems OK to me, but just about to go out and try digiscoping in the field with the P5000 so might post some results later if I get anything.
Must say that I am impressed by the transfer rate that the camera uploads images to my PC via USB cable even using USB 1
Only things I'd wish to see added to the camera for the moment are:-

Electronic cable release port (something better than the hit and miss one used for CP995 -CP4500)
Manual Focusing
NEFF or RAW file shooting mode
WI-FI file transfer
External DC power connection

Other than the above that would be nice features for the camera if added, I am so far happy with it.
I will try and report back on battery life today, the battery has had a couple of carge cycles now and should give me a true reflection on how long it lasts when left on.

Catch you all later Dougie

Thanks Dougie,
It certainly pays to hear about a camera from someone who's go it, one review site says it has got manual focus and another that it has a DC-in port, you don't really know where you are with them unless they do a full review of something.
Look forward to hearing how you got on today.

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Thanks Dougie,
It certainly pays to hear about a camera from someone who's go it, one review site says it has got manual focus and another that it has a DC-in port, you don't really know where you are with them unless they do a full review of something.
Look forward to hearing how you got on today.

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In answer to the question on manual focus, I have looked through the instruction manual and no mention of being able to manual focus, what you can do is is manually select which focusing sensor you wish to use, i.e. if the subject you wish to be in focus is off to the left of the framed picture then you can manually select left focusing sensor to ensure the subject is in focus.

As for the external DC port, there is a small rubber flap, that when lifted reveals the side of the battery, I am assuming now!!, but I think the AC adapter kit which is available has some sort of dummy battery that you put into the camera, and the rubber flap is lifted to allow the cable from the AC adapter to run into the camera. There is no other external plugging point for DC power as with the Coolpix 995, 4500.
But having said that the battery power on this camera is exceptionally good, so in all honesty I would think a couple of spare batteries would be more than enough for a days shooting.

It was quite interesting yesterday whilst taking pictures with the P5000, the light was very bright actually too bright light was very harsh, but there is an interesting feature when reviewing photos with the camera, you get the usual histogram and EXIF details, but also the camera highlights the area of the picture that is not exposed correctly, as was the case with many of the shots yesterday. Tried some shots of Shell Ducks the usual problem with harsh light, all the detail of the white areas of the bird burnt out, which was quite annoying, as the rest of the subject was spot on and tac sharp

I have attached a picture of the Shell Duck please excuse the burnt out white bits, as I said light was very harsh, I was using the custom settings as mentioned in previous post, still at the experimenting stages, thought it would be a good example for those wanting to see how sharp the image is. Also pictures of Heron from yesterday.

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Thank you Dougie for helping us decide about getting the P5000

The pictures you showed in your post. Can you confirm that they were straight from the camera, with no post sharpening.

Also I read in a report that the P5000 has bracketing, can you confirm that this is correct please.

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In answer to the question on manual focus, I have looked through the instruction manual and no mention of being able to manual focus, what you can do is is manually select which focusing sensor you wish to use, i.e. if the subject you wish to be in focus is off to the left of the framed picture then you can manually select left focusing sensor to ensure the subject is in focus.

As for the external DC port, there is a small rubber flap, that when lifted reveals the side of the battery, I am assuming now!!, but I think the AC adapter kit which is available has some sort of dummy battery that you put into the camera, and the rubber flap is lifted to allow the cable from the AC adapter to run into the camera. There is no other external plugging point for DC power as with the Coolpix 995, 4500.
But having said that the battery power on this camera is exceptionally good, so in all honesty I would think a couple of spare batteries would be more than enough for a days shooting.

It was quite interesting yesterday whilst taking pictures with the P5000, the light was very bright actually too bright light was very harsh, but there is an interesting feature when reviewing photos with the camera, you get the usual histogram and EXIF details, but also the camera highlights the area of the picture that is not exposed correctly, as was the case with many of the shots yesterday. Tried some shots of Shell Ducks the usual problem with harsh light, all the detail of the white areas of the bird burnt out, which was quite annoying, as the rest of the subject was spot on and tac sharp

I have attached a picture of the Shell Duck please excuse the burnt out white bits, as I said light was very harsh, I was using the custom settings as mentioned in previous post, still at the experimenting stages, thought it would be a good example for those wanting to see how sharp the image is. Also pictures of Heron from yesterday.

Thanks Dougie
Thanks for the info again Dougie.

You need to use some -EV compensation to stop highlights being blown in strong sunlight -2/3 to -1 in many cases, you might be able to use the cameras 'D' lighting to then lighten the under-exposed bits, if not this can be done in Photoshop etc.

What ISO were you using and were you on 10mpix best quality please.
Sorry for so many questions but really interested in this camera.

Thanks again

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The exif info on the first picture shows 200 ISO the second 100 ISO and third 64 ISO but doesn't give away the Quality info.


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John

The exif info on the first picture shows 200 ISO the second 100 ISO and third 64 ISO but doesn't give away the Quality info.


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Thanks Malc, looking promising isn't it, I'm very tempted to get one, nearly broke into the piggy bank tonight

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The exif info on the first picture shows 200 ISO the second 100 ISO and third 64 ISO but doesn't give away the Quality info.


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Right I'll try and answer in order, "feathered friend", the pictures are straight out of the camera I have cropped them slightly, only to get them posted on here, limited to size you can post on BF, there has been no sharpening or post processing.

And yes the P5000 comes with bracketing feature 3 options (+-1.0) (+-0.7) (+-0.3) if bracketing is on the camera takes 3 shots normal, under, over exposed

All pictures taken at full 10mp fine mode.

John-Henry EV compensation is available on the camera +2.0 to -2.0 in 1/3rd increments, this feature according to the instructions is available in all modes except manual mode.
Obviously it is early days, so just finding my way round the camera, And ISO is as Feathered Friend has pointed out first picture 200 ISO the second 100 ISO and third 64 ISO.

Hope this info helps?

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are you using the eagle-eye adapter with the P5000 ?
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Dougie,
Nice to see some field experience with the new P5000. It looks to me that that the pics are about 1 stop over-exposed, which is surprising if using Spot Area Focusing with link to exposure. I also was worried about the 0.8 frames/second as this is a bit low for tracking moving birds at high magnifications. How did you find in on the duck? Neil.
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are you using the eagle-eye adapter with the P5000 ?

Dear Horukuru
Yes I am using the Eagle-Eye adapter, but to connect it to the camera you need the Nikon UR-E20 adapter. Got mine from Ebay cost about 17 including P&P from Japan seller is "ace_of_bicycle2004" he has others in stock.
To be frank here, I find the Eagle-Eye adapter a bit fiddly, so looking to get a different one that is sold over here by "In Focus" its called a Focus DA1 this adapter is a push on type no tightening screws, they are made especially for each type of scope, so they line up centerally every time.

Word of warning here, I have found that you need to zoom camera lens out further to avoid vignetting with the zoom eye-peice, about 2-3 times on the camera, with the fixed eye-piece's, (I have 20X and 32X) camera only needs zooming out about 1x, please note that I am using a Leica Televid 77, this may vary with different scope manufacturers. Personal opinion here but I think fixed eye piece's are better than zooms for digiscoping.

John-Henry you mentioned D-lighting, now I had a session of RFM last night and had a play with this feature, and yes it does work, made a dark image quite acceptable, but in my opinion it was at the expence of adding some colour noise, which I suppose Neat Image would have sorted if I had a copy of it!!.

Neil Yes 0.8fps is slow can't understand why it is so slow, this is the only area that my D-Lux2 shines over the P5000.
Was trying to auto bracket the Shell Duck and by the 3rd exposure the duck had moved out of the frame
Just hope that Nikon can speed things up with a firmware tweek.

One of the features I do like, is the panoramic feature where you can stitch several shots together, when you take a shot with the camera in panoramic mode it leaves a ghost image of the right hand side of the previous shot on LCD screen so you can line up for next shot and so on, saves guessing were the overlap needs to be.

All in all bar the slow continuous frame rate, not a bad little camera so far, as ever there will be something you wish the camera had but it hasn't. I look back at the CP995 I used a few years ago, slow start up, shutter lag, battery life was non exsistant, oh and that wonderful electronic shutter release, lost countless pictures with that hit and miss accessory!! and back then everyone thought they were the dogs dangly bits.

As for the P5000 I think it has the potential to be a good digiscoping camera, no doubt in a few weeks there will be websites telling us what the best settings to use when digiscoping with the P5000 as there are countless sites indicating the settings for previous Nikon models CP995, CP4500

More than happy to answer any other questions. Thanks Dougie
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I would be interested to know if anybody has used the P5000 with the Swarovski 80HD scope and 20-60x or 30x or 45x eyepiece

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